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Wanttaja
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Actually, "Rocket Science" is actually DV=Isp*G*ln(Mi/Mf). That is literally Tsiolkovsky's rocket equation.
About twenty years ago, I was friends with a retired Boeing aerodynamicist. He had had the lift equation tatooed on his arm.It is not nearly as difficult as trying to explain how wings create lift or proving that the earth is round.
I've been threatening to do the same with the rocket equation....
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jedi
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I am just a stupid engineer, as in not a Dr., only a masters degree. Can you please define the the variables and terms of the equation on one arm below the elbow. I may wish to join you at the Tattoo parlor.
PS: I think I get it. Change in velocity = Specific impulse times the log of the ratio of the change in mass of the rocket times the acceleration of gravity on the planet where the mass was measured.
I think we need to
1. Get rid of the G by using a universal Mass measurement.
2. Define Impulse and simplify the equation.
3. Thus F=ma. or KISS. (Translation available on request)
Reference: In classical mechanics, impulse is the integral of a force, F, over the time interval, t, for which it acts. Since force is a vector quantity, impulse is also a vector quantity. Impulse applied to an object produces an equivalent vector change in its linear momentum, also in the same direction. Wikipedia
I will foot the tattoo bill if you will go for F=ma on your forehead to explain the tattoos on your arms (airplanes versus rockets, F=ma works for both*). Now back to work on my intended reply for the "Why do airplanes fly?" question .
* It is difficult to measure the mass involved for the airplane. But then the lift equation takes care of that by eliminating the mass term in the lift equation.
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Aerowerx
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That was done by the ancients using sticks and shadows. No sweat.It is not nearly as difficult as... proving that the earth is round.
I had no idea he was a rocket scientist too. I really liked Swan Lake. Oh, wait...
choppergirl
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My first thought: he may have not proved the earth was flat, but he proved that the earth was very hard
My second thought: what a waste of a good V2 like rocket, it would of had a longer lifespan in my front yard
My third thought: Kansas may have indeed been flat before he took off, but now it's rather cratered.
My fourth thought: no need to build a rocket... buy a night time commercial flight and take a look out the window; not only will you see the world is round, you'll also see it's rather pretty
My fifth thought: I ponder taking an open cockpit motorglider up to 10,000 ft on a windless still full moon lit night, and just killing the engine and gliding down to the ghostly illuminated earth below... the perfect or worst night for a prison escape... I've never decided which... wow, okay, now I have something to live for again.
My sixth thought: why didn't he build a Reichenberg... that would of looked even better on my front lawn
My seventh thought: steam powered rocket? what was it, a nuclear reaction? hydrazine? too lazy to look it up, my brain is now up there coasting through the quiet cool night air
My second thought: what a waste of a good V2 like rocket, it would of had a longer lifespan in my front yard
My third thought: Kansas may have indeed been flat before he took off, but now it's rather cratered.
My fourth thought: no need to build a rocket... buy a night time commercial flight and take a look out the window; not only will you see the world is round, you'll also see it's rather pretty
My fifth thought: I ponder taking an open cockpit motorglider up to 10,000 ft on a windless still full moon lit night, and just killing the engine and gliding down to the ghostly illuminated earth below... the perfect or worst night for a prison escape... I've never decided which... wow, okay, now I have something to live for again.
My sixth thought: why didn't he build a Reichenberg... that would of looked even better on my front lawn
My seventh thought: steam powered rocket? what was it, a nuclear reaction? hydrazine? too lazy to look it up, my brain is now up there coasting through the quiet cool night air
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danmoser
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A friend of mine was Mad Mike's partner in his steam rocket endeavors.. The story about the accident I got was that a pair of experimental backup parachutes came loose from the recoil of the thrust pulse at launch, snagged on the launch ramp, and were ripped free. That deflected the flight path of the rocket slightly, but thrust force was more than sufficient to overcome that back-up parachute glitch, and the rocket continued climbing. The two manually deployable "Last Chance" main chutes were still ready to go in their canisters on board the rocket when it crashed. the ground crew was yelling at Mike on the radio after the rocket reached apogee, instructing him to hit the chutes, but he apparently never tried to.. why will remain a mystery, but some speculate that Mike was probably blacked out or otherwise incapable of triggering the main chutes.. Automatic chute deployment likely would have saved his life.
The "Darwin award" jokes and snickers are inevitable, but whatever your opinion of flat-Earthers or daredevils may be, it's worth noting his passion, fearlessness, and total commitment to a goal, no matter how misguided his efforts may have been.
The "Darwin award" jokes and snickers are inevitable, but whatever your opinion of flat-Earthers or daredevils may be, it's worth noting his passion, fearlessness, and total commitment to a goal, no matter how misguided his efforts may have been.
Yes, but if it is desirable to deploy at apogee (to minimize load on the 'chute, shroud lines, and Mike), maybe the most foolproof approach would involve commanded deployment from the ground. In these circumstances, folks on the ground are probably in the best position to make a decision and can account for unforeseen deviations in the flight path.
I would think everyone is sorry things came to this, and that they wish Mike's family and friends the best.
TarDevil
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Most likely he had neither the budget or aptitude for automation and/or remote commands.
No one can deny his determination. I cannot dispel the feelings of waste over a pointless goal.
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Kansas may be cratered, but not from that event which took place in California.
Hephaestus
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Mentioned this in fritzw's thread. Surprised it's not here.
https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/233238
Ercoupe at Torrance municipal. Doing T&G's, engine problems. Impossible turn. 2 parked aircraft. Injuries only.
There's a cellphone video on FB but I can't seem to find it anymore.
https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/233238
Ercoupe at Torrance municipal. Doing T&G's, engine problems. Impossible turn. 2 parked aircraft. Injuries only.
There's a cellphone video on FB but I can't seem to find it anymore.
pwood66889
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Know the gal in the `coupe that did that "1/2 impossible turn" landing. From the chat, she did an impeccable job. And the A&P who was her passenger got an outstanding object lesson!!
"When the gremlins are out, the best place to be is in an Ercoupe." Gen. Chuck Rosenfeldt (USA, ret.)
"When the gremlins are out, the best place to be is in an Ercoupe." Gen. Chuck Rosenfeldt (USA, ret.)
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Bill-Higdon
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I don’t know about on takeoff, but it looks like a whole lot of g’s on landing.
I'm not sure why he believed a low altitude rocket flight would allow him to see the curvatur eof the Earth any more than a half hour ride in a Cessna 150. What I heard was that his rocket was only supposed to go a couple of thousand feet in the air. How would that show him the Earth was round? I've been up over 30K (sailplane) and didn't see any curvature.
...or I short hike up a medium sized hill.
That’s because the Earth is flat!
not only flat but you can fall off the edge....there is a phenominon when looking out to sea when its calmer inshore but either its rough farther out or an illusion ,in any case the whole horison is some how
magnified......the end of the world....and ration and reason fail.....its a shame that someone so captivated by there own sense of the real wasnt able to find another way to explore that,I am sure that they were a force of nature in there own right.
magnified......the end of the world....and ration and reason fail.....its a shame that someone so captivated by there own sense of the real wasnt able to find another way to explore that,I am sure that they were a force of nature in there own right.
From the link in post #3306:
BJC
He was a publicity seeker who was pursuing self-promotion, not someone trying to prove anything about a flat Earth.
BJC
