# Draco died today

Discussion in 'Bush / Float flying' started by Scheny, Sep 17, 2019.

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1. Sep 17, 2019

### Scheny

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R.I.P. to one of the most beautiful STOL ever built...

2. Sep 17, 2019

### Mark Z

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This is bittersweet. Thank God Mike is ok.

3. Sep 17, 2019

### Topaz

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Ugh. At least he's okay. But that's not gonna just buff out...

4. Sep 17, 2019

### bmcj

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We’re going to need a bigger buffer.

5. Sep 17, 2019

### Derswede

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Think the report said 40 mph crosswinds. Think I would have stayed in the hanger, even with the incredible ability of the Draco. Hope he can snag another Wilga, but he will need lots of  to build another Draco. In looking at the videos, think the fuse is badly damaged. Glad no one was hurt past the ego sucker punch.

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6. Sep 17, 2019

### bmcj

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It will be interesting to see if he rebuild/builds new, but I’m thinking maybe not. He’s already proven the concept, and probably has other new designs in the queue that he wants to build. At this point, the only reason to rebuild is if his Draco airshow appearances are highly profitable for him.

7. Sep 17, 2019

### Rockiedog2

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I didn't watch the vid.
If it was a xwind wreck wonder why he didn't land across the runway

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8. Sep 17, 2019

### bmcj

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It was a crosswind takeoff and I think he said something about not wanting to ask the tower for an angled takeoff run.

If you just want to see the takeoff, go to the 6:20 mark in Scheny’s video posted above.

9. Sep 17, 2019

### bmcj

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Incidentally, in his Draco build video, Patey said that he has never ground-looped and hopes never to ground-loop. Well, he now has that experience under his belt. It doesn’t help you avoid future ground loops... it just makes it easier to recognize while your in one.

10. Sep 17, 2019

### pictsidhe

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There are those who have ground looped, and those who are going to ground loop. I'm in the latter category. Hopefully I won't destroy any planes during my learning phase.

I watched the vid. I really didn't like the way the crosswind was gusting around stall speed for a typical STOL. That sounds challenging. I don't know the stall speed of Draco.

11. Sep 17, 2019

### don january

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Don't forget Mike has Scrappy on the bench and I got a feeling it will be a real eye stopper. Have you seen the power plant hes mounting? also the prop. MY MY.

12. Sep 17, 2019

### BBerson

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Draco was cool looking, but not among the shortest takeoffs at Airventure 2018

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### TFF

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Maybe not the shortest but it would win with a 50 ft obstacle. Once it rotated, it climbed three times as fast as the next aircraft. It’s also a four seater against cut down two seaters. They need to include 50 ft obstacle and 300 lb of dummy moose carcass. The pegazair was outclassed. That was my disappointment.

14. Sep 17, 2019

### Pops

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I have requested across the runway takeoff from tower with a single runway and high 90 deg crosswind. The answer was, " I can't give you permission, but I will give you traffic clearance and no one will care".

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### Toobuilder

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I once took off from the gas pumps, down the high speed turnoff and across the runway at a towered airport due to high winds. Tower cleared me to do it (or at least said "OK").

Mike at least "owned" the mistake and will no doubt learn from it. Nobody was hurt, the airplane can be replaced... Could have been much worse.

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### ScaleBirdsScott

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I just hope he puts even more effort into his next project, and the next one after that.

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### pictsidhe

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There is a price to pay if you want to be the best. That price is that you have to be the best.

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### BJC

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They can tell you “OK” but they do not have the authority to grant deviations from FARs. I know of several instances of towers requesting an aerobatic maneuver, but the pilots cherished their licenses too much to comply. (I’m certain that others have done things with “tower’s approval” with no adverse consequences, but most professionals do not.) I know of one who, after being “cleared for takeoff roll” did just that, complete with smoke, only to have his license suspended.

As to Draco, it looked like he might have been able to takeoff into a quartering wind, rather than a direct crosswind, and stayed on the runway, followed by a turn to runway heading at 50+ feet AGL. Note, also, that the (typical of high HP STOL) high rotation rate would have yawed the nose to the right, reducing the apparent airspeed, adversely affecting both airspeed / lift and aileron effectiveness.

Note, also, that these observations and comments are easy to make from a recliner in the family room after watching a video. Having a plane as capable as Drago was, is, as someone here already noted, likely to have led to overconfidence in the airplane/pilot capabilities. The tough trick is to avoid the situation real time.

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19. Sep 18, 2019

### Rik-

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I was wondering why he didn't compete in the "Reno Stol Drag's" and they said insurance restrictions. So that meant he at least had some sort of insurance.

Mike had previously stated that he had the first Wilga made and this was the last Wilga made. The book has closes on the bookmarks.

It's a big big plane compared to the other's in the STOL arena. Sad day, glad he, his wife and friend are unhurt.

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