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    Re: The Ranger, an easily built high wing LSA runabout

    I would like to see a big man version. My 2 grandsons is the reason I designed the JMR to fit a large pilot. If I was to build a Ranger, I would want to build for a large pilot. When I get to old to fly they can take over having the fun.
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    Re: The Ranger, an easily built high wing LSA runabout

    Pops..I get what ya are saying.... but when I think of too old to fly

    I think of a movie called second hand lion.

    The heroes of that movie apparently flew west...after tying to fly their old biplane inverted through a barn at age(90s?) LOL!

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    Re: The Ranger, an easily built high wing LSA runabout

    Quote Originally Posted by Kenai.pilot View Post
    Pops..I get what ya are saying.... but when I think of too old to fly

    I think of a movie called second hand lion.

    The heroes of that movie apparently flew west...after tying to fly their old biplane inverted through a barn at age(90s?) LOL!
    Heck that is not old. My father got cut off in his prime of life at 92.
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    Sad to hear, of a man being cut off in his prime like that.....

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    Re: The Ranger, an easily built high wing LSA runabout

    I thought that Fritz had laid out the Ranger as a lumberjack-sized airplane from the start, because he's not exactly a horse racing jockey himself ???

    Erkki67, sit in front of a piece of cardboard in the seated flying position, with rulers or meter sticks taped in place vertically and horizontally. Have someone take good photos of it. (I seem to recall photos like this somewhere in another HBA thread already)

    Send the photos to Fritz, and have him verify that the airplane cockpit does or does not need to be enlarged.

    This is by far the least obstacle in the whole process IMHO.
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    Re: The Ranger, an easily built high wing LSA runabout

    Fritz, don’t worry, it’s not the Ranger, it was another critter of a similar style;

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    That is me sitting in the bay.

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    Re: The Ranger, an easily built high wing LSA runabout

    Yep, he definitely needs another 4 inches or so of additional headroom, and six or eight inches more distance between the backrest and instrument panel.
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    Re: The Ranger, an easily built high wing LSA runabout

    From the backrest or a wall, measured I’ve 127cm of leg length, if the legs would be straight on the ground.

    My sitting height from the bottom to the top of my head is 97cm, also measured, while sitting on the ground against a wall.

    But for this I’ll build first this mock-up, and then we will see 1:1 what is the matter.

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    Re: The Ranger, an easily built high wing LSA runabout

    Interesting! I am just over 6' tall. When I sit with my back against the wall, the top of my head is also 38-3/16", or 97cm, from the floor. I usually don't have a problem with leg room but most homebuilts don't have enough head room. I have big feet too. I wear 13's or 14's depending on the brand. I have a special pair of shoes that I wear when I fly that don't have a lot of sole sticking out to catch on stuff under the panel.
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    Re: The Ranger, an easily built high wing LSA runabout

    As a data point, I too am 6’5”, 230lbs and wear size 13 clown shoes.

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    Re: The Ranger, an easily built high wing LSA runabout

    I'm 6'2", size 14 and I "park my Cadillac in the garage" (a nice way a saying I could stand to loose a pound or 50).


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ID:	78669 There should be enough room, even for big folks. My fearless crash test dummy is 6'2" and has perfect posture. Sitting like a real human buys you an inch or two.

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ID:	78671 Erkki's sitting like a real human. If he sat at attention like the pilot model his head would go through the roof. That mock up almost looks like the first wood CE, if you still have the drawings I could overlay them on the Ranger and see what it looks like

    ...but if the Ranger has to be bigger, it has to be bigger. Easy enough to do at this stage.

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    On another note. I heard back from Grove, a set of free standing gear for the Ranger would be $1,400. I would be happy to go that route for a set of plug and play gear but it is painfully pricey.

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    On another, another note. I talked to Mary (super nice lady) at Carlson Aircraft yesterday to make sure they were still in business (they've been trying to sell the company for a while). They're still in business and fully stocked with all their spars and struts.

    ...this is where the tube spar guys light their torches and grab their pitchforks

    I did a quick comparison between tube spars and extruded I beam spars looking at cost, weight, strength, availability (in the U.S.) and ease of messing with (the data might make an interesting, separate, thread). ...anyway, my tube spar wing idea turned into an I beam wing idea.

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ID:	78688 XEPS foam (I think). It would require a 48" CNC machine with at least 4" of Z travel. Any machine will plow though foam as fast as you want to run it. It would be super fast/easy/cheap to build, very light and strong. Perfect for hauling big guys out to the sticks on a hot bumpy day.
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    Re: The Ranger, an easily built high wing LSA runabout

    Since we all are different its impossible to try to come up with dimensions for everyone. I have a long torso and arms and shorter legs, I need a longer distance for head room and usually have little trouble with the leg room. Bob Barrows is the opposite, with long legs and a shorter torse but we are about the same height. I built the SSSC to fit me and he couldn't get his knees under the instrument panel.
    With the JMR, I built the prototype for a lot of headroom to fit me. Someone else my want to build the 1.5" shorter cabin model .

    Could you have plans or kits were people would have a choice in different dimensions up to a certain amount ?
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    Wouldn't Cub type of main gear be lighter in the complete installation and far cheaper in cost ?
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    Re: The Ranger, an easily built high wing LSA runabout

    To the malicious drooling toothless hordes advocating tube spars... I see your picthfork and raise you a trebuchet

    The I-beam spar wins any and every contest where structural efficiency and G-loading is important... like when it's my corpulent arse suspended up above the Earth!

    Please do continue with the investigation and rendering of a Ranger version using Carlson I-beam spars and struts.
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    Re: The Ranger, an easily built high wing LSA runabout

    I'm all for Carlson I beams and maybe a combination of aluminum and foam ribs.
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