Reversing the Decline of General Aviation

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  1. Apr 29, 2016 #341

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    I agree Wayne.. Just get out there and do it...
     
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    If big gubmint is so concerned about public health..... I can't go there :-/ I'd much rather breathe around an airport than .... You fill in the blank. Aviation in general is misunderstood by the public and this is where the grass roots players must be heard. We are only one news story away from belief in chemtrails and another division of EPA is spawned. The question of this thread is promoting GA. The answer is the next generation and a culture of hard work to attain a rewarding goal. But even Young Eagles is a program that I won't participate in due to the oversight from a legal perspective. We must be involved with the next generation and let them taste the "hemlock" we've all swallowed to get them hooked. Teach em how to drill a hole, buck a rivet and see the end goal.
     
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    And talk about it. ... don't be the "i'm a pilot" in the room. But talk, bring people with. Exposure is huge in making people aware.
     
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    I was thinking about making a YouTube vlog series as I build my plane. I think I could explain each step in a such a way that anybody could understand it and make it kind of interesting. What do you guys think?
     
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    Get enough viewers and you'll actually make money with that. Can you recruit an attractive female to appear in them? It's the key for people to click on your videos! I actually do follow several such vlogs on various topics and they can be really interesting. (Even those without the aforementioned attractive female..). But to be successful and reach a lot of people, you need to be a pretty good editor and producer and don't underestimate the time required to keep it up.

    Getting the idea out there that people can actually build their own airplane and that you don't have be rich or completely nuts to do so is an important aspect of all this. From personal experience, maybe one person in a thousand actually believes this is possible or legal. Youtube is a fantastic way to reach a huge audience.
     
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    I already have a martial arts learning site where I film and edit my own material so I am no stranger to it. I even have equipment that will allow me to wear a mic and will keep the camera tracked on my movements automatically. None of the pretty girls I know want to get in front of a camera...
     
  8. Aug 13, 2016 #348

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    Read most of the posts and there are lots of obstacles most of boils down to $ and interest.

    August Sport Aviation article about the buzzard way to get people into aviation was very inspirational of what could be done $30 hr for training to get Sport Pilot license when I read that i got excited that there is affordable options.

    Also sad because that opportunity it is rare. I belong to a eaa chapter with lots of talking some flying and building and no NO NO training there are CFI but no willingness to train (more than me and we have asked). I am not looking for handouts and am involved in build and meetings and would pay a decent price to learn.

    In the same sport aviation magazine eaa advertised 3 week sport pilot training all inclusive for $9,999. oh no

    I have seen a lot of aircraft not flown in years just siting in hangers (they are not junk aircraft) and lots of dusty parts engines air frames. I don't know what i am saying it can get frustrating wanting to learn to fly on limited funds and see planes siting in hangers not flying for years. and hangers full of cars boat trailers motorcycles. with people looking for hanger space (live in suburbs close to big city)

    I am working on building an ultralight to get flying. Try to find a place to fly within 30 miles, all local Airports are no ultralight. Not to mention ultralight training.
     
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    Those planes sitting in hangars for 4+ yrs are in bad shape. Lot of deterioration from sitting. Been through this drill many times when someone wants me to look at a plane for sale they found in the back of a hangar and it's cheap!! lol, yeah, cheap to buy but it won't get airborne for cheap.
     
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    The flip side is there are some truly cheap heavy ultralights for sale all the time. You could buy the plane and some instruction for less than the price of the EAA sport pilot special, but it wouldn't be legal. Not saying it wouldn't be safe........
     
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    I'm so glad I grew up in the late 1950's and 60's.... as an 8 year old we went to a local airport near Pittsburgh and my cousin and I got a ride in a cub for five bucks each. No paperwork, no helmets... grass strip and the pilot said hang on we'll do a loop... the only thing I had that need batteries was my flashlight. My mom bought me a little plane with a tiny gas engine attached to a long string and you flew it in circles. And I had my little peddle airplane when I was five or six... I used that instead of a tricycle. As a teenager I remember reading there was a lawyer shortage and if you wanted to make a lot of money you should consider that. By the time I got back from Vietnam a lawyer was about the last thing I wanted to be so went to college and studied journalism...at the same time I switched from Navy reserves and took an exam to go into the Air Force reserves.. passed and they sent me to avionic school in Illinois... became a certified avionics instrument system specialist. (For C-130's)

    Then there wasn't a lawyer shortage anymore and lawsuits were sprouting in aviation (and everything else) like weeds. The government began over reach in earnest. And with advancing technologies allowing a younger generation to fly planes on their tablets while eating a Godfathers pizza, talking on their smart phones with the TV blaring... well... young people's brains are largely elsewhere and with the ambulance chasing lawyers drooling like magpies lined up on an electric line, waiting for the next crash to represent the survivors against Cessna and continuing to drive the cost of aviation out of reach... I'm happy I don't do the facebook thing, instagram or any of that rubbish. But I am building two planes in my shop out of wood... quietly remembering my first ride in a piper when the pilot said (with a smile from ear to ear) 'hang on sonny, we're going upside down.'"
     
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    Near Pittsburgh ? Moved to Monaca when I was 15 years old in 1955, airport bum at Beaver Co and Butler. Also at the sailplane field at Butler. They were just little grass fields at the time. Lived in Beaver until I was 30 years old. Wife from Aliquippa.
     
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    It was the Culmerville Airport (my first ride)... we moved to Butler County when I was 12... bought an old farm near West Sunbury... and an old farmer there collected Cubs! My sister lives in Mercer and visiting her this fall. Born in Dubois but I grew up till 12 in North Hills of Pittsburgh. Still love that place!

    Sadly it will never be like that again. My view is to enjoy it while you can, and now that I am in western New Mexico, it's a close to those days as I can find! Lot of vacant old mining strips to practice on!
     
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    Nothing like it used to be. I was there doing the 60's and in the middle of all the burning and rioting. Had to go to work in groups of 20/30's to be somewhat safe. Didn't want my children to be raised there. Was a nice place at one time. My wife's sister still lives there and I refuse to go back.
     
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    Ok, I attended an Eagle's Nest mentor meeting at the HS shop. I was told that Sporty's is giving away online PP ground school for the kids who want it. My question is why doesn't our big FAA offer free online courses to any of the pilot/mechanic written exams to anyone who is willing? Wouldn't that encourage industry and offer opportunity? The system is already in place with IACRA.
     
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    Because the government would then be in competition with private companies which have a business doing the same thing? And probably do a better job of it?

    I wonder what that "free" FAA online course would actually cost taxpayers.

    The IRS offers "free" materials to help people comply with tax laws, and most people who have used them understand why private companies selling TurboTax, TaxCut, TaxAct etc are doing pretty well. The government does a poor job of explaining things in way that is understandable.
     
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    The FAA is always between a rock and hard place. A few yrs ago, a vacation airline sponsored Inspection Authorization renewal classes at their hangar. The FAA happily agreed. All they had to do was show up, give the necessary presentations and give attending IA's credit. The hangar was large and spacious and the sponsor provided catered food and we're not talking burgers and hot dogs. The FAA regional manager came down and shut it down. Said if gave the impression that the local FAA was cozying up with operators, and that might interfere with them doing their job. I couldn't believe it. The following yr I had to go to the FSDO and sit in a cramped classroom for my IA recurrent training. Refreshments were bottled water, day old coffee and stale doughnuts leftover from the morning coffee/break room.

    I would imagine if it gets bad enough, the FAA will offer free stuff. They keep saying they are swamped but I don't have a clue why that would be so. Not much to do when most GA planes are parked 360 days a yr.
     
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    There's no pleasing everyone. Either too much gov't or not enough gov't. Which probably translates into just right.
     
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    Online courses are pretty non personal. And would promote the entity's furtherance, how could it be anything but positive?
     

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