# Purchasing homebuilt, confused with required inspections

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#### Socal pilot

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Hi everyone! Thank you for accepting me in your community! I'm hopeful this is my first post out of many and that I'll get to contribute more as I become more experienced.

I'm looking into buying a homebuild experimental plane with Continental A75 engine. This is a whole new world for me, in regards to required paperwork and inspections.

Plane has N number and Airworthiness certificate. It is also currently registered. However it has not been flown in a few years and all the inspections are past due. I have asked mechanic on site (I live in different state) to take a look at the aircraft and he told me that the plane looks good and that the engine runs good as well. However when I asked mechanic to perform pre purchase Annual inspection and sign of the plane as Airworthy he declined under explanation that I'm moving the plane to another state and that it's best for me to do it where I'm going to be based. He suggested that I ask Seller to sign for Condition inspection, however seller is not Builder of the aircraft and to my knowledge he is legally unable to do so?

Seller seems honest, but I'm worried that I may not be able to get the plane to pass Annual after purchase and other than mechanic word I don't have anything in writing about the condition of the aircraft?

What should I do?

#### Pilot-34

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Seems Like an odd excuse for the mechanic not to want to do an annual.

#### D Hillberg

##### Well-Known Member

A/P inspects the aircraft and list discrepancies to be corrected given to the owner pilot
(list in AC 43-13 appendix d)
and signed off as a pilots preventative maintenance... By the new pilot owner.

A conditional Conditional Inspection. In the log books...

I Joe the wrench turner have inspected this flying termite box NX000001 - XX/XX/XXXX [failed inspection]
Conditional Inspection completed and a list of discrepancies to be corrected given to owner. (List the issues)

I Dick Pilot have corrected discrepancies listed by Joe W Turner on XX/XX/XXX (Fix the issues)
[corrective actions]

Go fly legally.

#### Socal pilot

##### Member
Wow, I'm really glad I reached out and got all this good feedback! Thank you all there are a lot of good points! I can definitely understand all sides, but at the end of the day I have to do as much as I can on the ground in order to join you in the air where I want to be.

Let me answer a few questions, the plane is Pazmany pl-4, I tried price comparison, not too many of them being sold, hard to say but obviously I got interested. Yes, I am fully aware that purchasing price is just one part of the equation, that having a good \$ reserve makes for good flying but at this point I don't even have a ballpark what that reserve should be and I don't want to find out when it's too late, or even worse, my wife to find out When it comes to my agreement with mechanic, I have agreed to pay for a Pre-Buy, but I'm not getting a report so it's more on the line of kicking tires and a few other things.

I have some mechanical knowledge, but in this case I'm not ashamed to say that I'm over my head, especially because the plane hasn't flown for so long and I can't get in touch with the original builder.

I'm going to follow your advice and try to find out more, talk to the owner again and like someone said, do the math and see what kind of a loss or further investment I'm comfortable with. And yes, towing the plane out was my plan.

#### Victor Bravo

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HBA Supporter
Where are you based, and where is the airplane?

I am located at KWHP and if it is of any value I can offer a little guidance here and there, but I am not an A&P or IA. I do know several of them here at this field.

The most important thing by far is to have an independent third party look at it, who knows what he/she is doing with experimental airplanes. I can point to several really experienced IA's who have no understanding of E-AB, and would just trash-talk the airplane up and down because it doesn't look like the King-Air they work on. There are also mechanics who will sign off stuff that I wouldn't get in and fly.

I happen to know an Oshkosh champion E-AB builder at my home field, who just got his IA rating. If you are having trouble finding a guy, I can at least put you in touch. He is not the least expensive option, but he absolutely knows what good workmanship is.

#### Dana

##### Super Moderator
Staff member

A/P inspects the aircraft and list discrepancies to be corrected given to the owner pilot
(list in AC 43-13 appendix d)
and signed off as a pilots preventative maintenance... By the new pilot owner.

A conditional Conditional Inspection. In the log books...

I Joe the wrench turner have inspected this flying termite box NX000001 - XX/XX/XXXX [failed inspection]
Conditional Inspection completed and a list of discrepancies to be corrected given to owner. (List the issues)

I Dick Pilot have corrected discrepancies listed by Joe W Turner on XX/XX/XXX (Fix the issues)
[corrective actions]

Go fly legally.
Not quite. An annual inspection can be signed off by an IA with a list of discrepancies that must be fixed, but not a condition inspection, it's either in "condition for safe operation" or it's not.

In this case, the purchaser needs to find an A&P who is willing to sign off the inspection, or trailer or home.

#### BBerson

##### Light Plane Philosopher
HBA Supporter
And yes, towing the plane out was my plan.
I would. But get a title search first to check for clear ownership on the bill of sale. Everything else can be fixed except excess weight.

#### BJC

##### Well-Known Member
HBA Supporter
That looks like it could be a real fun airplane.

I think that we have an A&P out that way. He may be willing.

BJC

#### rv7charlie

##### Well-Known Member
A ferry permit is a legal option to get it home, but it might not be a wise one, if the plane has been sitting for many years. I don't know much about that type, but if it's as simple as something like an RV3 or RV4, it might be worth thinking about paying and taking your own A&P to the plane to do an annual. But if you do that, you then need to think about your own flying experience and currency. I'd be a little concerned about flying cross country on the 1st flight after the plane has been on the ground for years, especially if I had little or no time in type.

Charlie

#### scramjetter

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You could try contacting the local EAA chapter and ask if they know of an A&P who would be willing to inspect your plane.