Provocative Places to Unfold My Wings

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  1. Apr 23, 2019 #1

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    I'm looking at the prices for Oshkosh ($50/day) and Sun N Fun ($40/day), and I'm like, you know what, I bet they're just charging that much to keep the poor like myself out. The pilots fly in, the show don't pay the pilots anything to show up, and their sticking it to the venders big time, so yeah... why $50 and not $5, and why $40 and not $4? Why not priced like a movie ticket someone like me could afford...? There's only one reason. To keep me out.

    I'm sure some of you are just fine with that, keep the public out. But not me. I want to bring airplanes right up to the people where they can touch them, and not have to pay through the nose to do it, or get hauled off by airport security if they do. Into places where you would not otherwise see an airplane.

    It occurred to me, my ultralight hauling trailer is about finished, I'm about to pick up the Poorgirl, and David built some kickass folding wing mechanisms into it. I can compete in the public eye and bring aviation to those where there is no competition or entrance fee at all.

    I'm thinking, bam, as soon as I get back and get my own colors on this bird, I can take my Flying Circus on the road. If I spin it as an attraction getter free event for a store, and can get an A-OK blessing from a store manager or retail strip mall area, I can unfold my wings in any parking lot just about anywhere you would never, ever typically see an airplane, and just leave it right up there on the trailer with out stretched wings.

    Just park it in the most unused far end corner of the parking lot, like those people who park their RV's overnight do, maybe put a few orange safety cones around it, unfold those wings for shade, and set me up a lawn chair and be an ambassador to la publica and le poor, and let them see an airplane up close, touch it, even sit in it and move those controls, and imagine themselves flying it. Answer any questions and just have a blast and a good time. Have fun with it. It's my hobby. Tie some balloons to the trailer or something, have a nice little informational sign people can read if their too shy to talk to me. Have a play list going.

    I'm thinking to start, like in front of Harbor Freight, with a sign that says "Built with Harbor Freight Tools" or in a Walmart parking lot, because man I burned through the Walmart generic Ice Cream sandwiches and Dr. Pepper building the trailer. Grocery Stores, Malls, Parks, anywhere I could pull a 20ft trailer in with a pick'em up truck. Detach the truck and move it a few spaces over out of the way, so the plane and trailer only takes up 3 or 4 parking spaces. I could do colleges and high schools, but I kind of got an axe to grind with most of them on principal, but... it's an idea.

    I would so smoke the local EAA chapter for visibility, which has sequestered itself out of public view for public awareness.

    Ideas for locations? Opinions? Feedback? Vitriol? Just plain daft? Total Awesomeness? Odd and unsual, but original?

    I think it would add an extra fun dimension to an otherwise grueling experience I've had with this hobby. It's about time for some payoff and upside to this for me, because at no point building the trailer did I have any fun whatsoever. It was all just brutal work.
     
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    You have no clue what it costs to rent 1000 porta johns.
    I participate in a 10,000 plus person event where everyone is an unpaid volunteer. But it still costs $100 s week to camp, because there is a fee for the camp grounds, a family run operation, and they put their profits into building infrastructure. Buried pipes to run water into empty fields, New shower facilities, electric power for vendor space, etc.

    Vendors, who want to make a profit, pay to have space where thousands of potential customers gather. Australian burger businesses, folk who labor at the forge all year to make wonders, jewlers, seamstresses, almost all family operations on a near zero budget.

    Yet you can't pay that little to park a car in Boston. We have no rich corporate sponsors.

    Because we have no tourist attendance, and we understand that you set up your own tents, volunteers run security and land distribution, and it costs money to arrange for an ambulance to be on site, we ( SCA ) pay less than you do for thirty seconds of Disneyland, for a week of international competition, and parties you wouldn't believe. ( the folk from Texas give free chili to all who come to their weekly party. )

    Every morning, the trucks roll through with pumps, toilet paper and hand sanitizer, hose out the porta johns. So many, that the porta john company rents land to store the odd couple of thousand on site. The welcome labor of those professionals has to be paid by my ticket.

    Just because we have a different purpose than looking at airplanes, doesn't change the fact that Oshkosh and Pennsic, are run by vo!unteers, yet still have to deal with expensive legal requirements.

    Just consider the legal waivers to allow an international event with paragliders/archery, home built jets/full contact martial arts competition, helicopters/sword smiths, and vendors selling everything from engines to clothing/medieval pavilions to....clothing. Plus toys to keep the children happy.... Of all ages.
     
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    Did lots of fly fishing when I was a youngster. Tied all my own flies and made my own poppers. Having a fish attack a popper was lots of fun. Twitch the popper at just the right time and place, and some fish will take the bait.


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    Btw, feel free to recruit new blood for aviation!

    I'd love to see you get kids at schools excited and asking questions.

    And if you want to rant about how the elitist scum at Burning Man exploit the masses I'll be cheering you on!

    But keeping out the tourists can be a good thing. You don't want people climbing into your flying machine without permission. Breaking your stuff because they have no idea how fragile it is, and not caring if they do.

    At Pennsic we deal by not having daily rates. You're in for a week, or 2 if you do unpaid setup.

    I saved for, literally, years to buy my tent. The value of my hand fitted armor would stagger you. I don't even own a sword. But I don't care for ignorant tourists to walk into my camp. I do public demo events to educate, it's our charter! But the big insider event is for us who are dedicated to the teaching, and martial arts, and arts and crafts. It's where we teach the interested the How civilization happened.

    I'm considering building a Chinese man carrying war observation kite train this year. If I do, I'll post pictures. The U-2 of medieval aviation. ;)
     
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    Apparently its not working! There are so many people at the events you can barely move around. Raise the prices some more and thin the **** herd!
     
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    If admission were free people would complain and argue that they should be paid to attend so it's a bottomless rabbit hole. The nice thing about it is nobody is forced to go....except maybe my kids!

    I don't go to professional sporting events but it has nothing to do with ticket prices as I could care less how much a ticket cost.
     
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    I don’t know if they still do it, but Sun n Fun offered free admissions at one time on certain days after a certain time. They also had (have?) special admission plans for escorted school groups.

    They are having a positive effect on technical secondary education as well as promoting GA.
    I talk to six or eight high school students there each year, and have been impressed with them. They are doing real things, and getting quality educations, not wasting their time playing internet games.


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    [QUOTE="choppergirl, I'm like, you know what, I bet they're just charging that much to keep the poor like myself out.[/QUOTE]

    I suspect the promoters of ball games, road-racing, concerts, specialized gatherings of all kinds, etc., charge admission fees to cover their out-of-pocket costs and to make a profit providing entertainment that sells to the public.
    I call it "Capitalism" in it's purest form. Supply what people want and can afford, they will come with cash in hand.
    They do not charge fees to "keep out" certain segments of the population. Income disparity is a fact one has to live with. I often wonder why I can't afford a Lear, but, I'll make do with something cheaper. Life is NOT fair. However, Equal opportunity to achieve your dream is available to ALL!
     
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    Price a Bermuda burger LOL!!! This was Zaug's staple. For a long time Zaug's was the only food vendor at OSH. Of you wanted Pepsi you had to walk to this little store.
     
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    I have been involved in numerous festivals, form parking cars to organisation. It is not cheap to run a big event. Even when most of your staff are volunteers. There are legal obligations, such as porta-jons, protection money to the police is a major cost (in the UK anyway). Most of the events that I've been involved with have made oshkosh and sun-n-fun look cheap, but they certainly were not money-spinners. Often, they made a loss.
    Feel free to give free demos though. Grass roots aviation could do with a bit lot more recruitment. You need to be really careful of dumb people breaking your plane, though. Joe public thinks all planes are built like airliners, and can not only be prodded hard, but jumped on. I would suggest a rope fence with entry and a tour by invitation. Handouts are good.
     
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    I'll pay for admission and parking for the whole week Chopper girl. You can sleep in my plumbing shop on a cot. I have a motorcycle you can drive back and fourth. I'm 1 hour south of Oshkosh.

    Your move.
     
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    I wonder if the budget queen has a working thumb to get to WI? I certainly did at her age, it took me all sorts of places...
     
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    You can fly in to most fly ins and hang around for a while without payment and leave in a while.
    It is sort of on the honor system. They charge ultralight pilots for camping at Oshkosh but not for parking.
     
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    Ford dealers have free tickets, all you need to do is ask any employee. I've never once paid for admission and I take 4 boys and my mom every year for years.

    The notion that they want to keep out the poor is absolutely ridiculous on every possible level imaginable. Maybe it's time to grow up. The EAA has programs for any age and any demographic imaginable.

    How about volunteering? Giving something of yourself and reaping the rewards is the cornerstone of not just aviation but America.
     
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    The days I’m there, I will buy lunch. Get there. If I remember right, you need some wing ribs for your plane, free class where you build an actual rib. You can learn that. Probably an engine class on your type of engine, free. There might be a class on your type of UL, free. Yes, you do pay to get in, but once in, you can get more than the money was. I dare you to take oxy welding, and go up to billski and say, “I’m Choppergirl. “. That would give you some cred. If you are really not doing anything, hitchhike, or other cost effective transportation, and show up. Free coffee where you can entertain HBA members in the morning. I think you will be surprised. If you do trailer your thing up, do camp and use it as shade, that would be popular too.
     
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    I won't be going this year, but I could give you some hitchhiking tips...
     
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    Should definitely trailer your ultralight to Oshkosh, finished or not. Do a forum on it, or the trailer, or whatever.
    One guy did a forum on his trailer last year. Need more stuff. Ultralights are extremely rare.
     
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    Chopsie, if you do go I have some good advice. Pack lunch and snacks in a backpack, extra socks, etc. Oshkosh will try to bleed every last cent from your wallet on food and drinks. You can save a hundred bucks or more by shopping at Walmart and having lunch with you on your back.
     
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    Chopsie?

    I'm totally stealing this.
     
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    According to this https://www.howmuchisit.org/how-much-do-movie-tickets-cost/ a movie is $6 to $20, perhaps $8 to $10 average (for two hours)
    So about $4 per hour.
    Oshkosh is 24 hours each day for about $20 each day (member week rate) so less than a dollar per hour.
    Each night has a free movie also. And a free open major concert on Monday.
    A thousand forums and much more.
     
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