Sonerai

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  1. May 25, 2019 #41

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    Well, the purists will shout me down, but I'll offer that they do make a side-by-side Sonerai.
    - VW powered
    - Side-by-side seating
    - Stall speed: A bit slower than a Sonerai
    - Cruise speed: A bit slower than Sonerai (I see about 130 MPH in mine--VW 2180 power)
    - Wing span: 22 feet (Sonerai II Stretch: 18' 8" feet) So, all the folks that wanted a few more feet of span--here it is.
    - Wing Area: 98 sq ft (Sonerai II Stretch: 84 sq ft) All the folks that wanted a sightly slower stall speed--here's how they did it with no sophisticated high-lift tricks
    - Wing Loading at factory MTOW: 11.22 lbs/sft (Sonerai II-S: 13.7 lbs/sft)

    The comparison is a bit tongue-in-cheek. The Sonerai-II S has a lighter empty weight (about 100 lbs less even for a light Sonex) and performs like it when flown solo. The planes are quite different (especially the construction). The Sonerai II-S also has more useful load than a Sonex that uses the factory recommended 1100 lbs MTOW (for VW powered planes).

    But if you want a plane that is economical to operate, fun to fling about the sky solo, and which can be pressed into service for traveling with two aboard--side-by-side, you could do much worse than a Sonex. But build light.
     
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    Those last 3 words. But build light. Not the easiest thing to do, but try, you will be glad you did.
     
  3. May 25, 2019 #43

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    The Sonex is on my radar as well. I would prefer tube with an aluminum wing. The Sonerai is about it for a low wing those specs. And light it shall be, learned my lesson on the Max!
     
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    Poormansairforce, I don't want to get sidetracked on the Sonerai thread but for a VW powered side by side the Cygnet is pretty hard to ignore.
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    The Cygnet doesn't even come close to living up to its claimed performance specs....at least the one that I've flown at our field doesn't.
    And on a hot day......your best bet is to call an Uber.

    Kevin
     
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    I knew a owner of one and he absolutely loved it. He had a Pietenpole afterwards and wished he had it back. Depends on your expectations I suppose
     
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    Kevin’s panel is basic and simple; I like it.
     

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    I got about midway thru a sonerai tri-gear stretch project. I never thought i wouldnt finish it but due to lack of funds, i sold it to a guy from calif. Anyway people have great faith in the vw platform. Just dont take one out of a car. Is great plains still around? The 2180 seemed to be decent. Anything too much beyond that and the fuse has to deviate from the plans.
     
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    Wow. In my head I kinda pictured it vintage old school. Haha, completely opposite.

    That is a very clean and simple panel.
     
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    Yes, still up and running. When Steve Bennett got sick, they sold off the rights to the Sonerai to Fred Keip (his web site: SoneraiWorks). After Steve passed away, some parts of the business were sold (to include their line of brakes, etc.) Great Plains still sells all the parts and kits needed to build a solid, airworthy VW engine. The business is apparently up for sale now, and I hope someone buys it who can continue their work. Some of the things they sell are not easily found elsewhere. The Force One bearing and prop hub, with the associated crankshaft, is very important for anyone using stroked versions use of these engines in airplanes.
     
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    Local VW only parts and machine shop owner looked at buying GP's but decided against it. He would have been a good owner. Just like Steve Bennett was.
    At one time Vic and his father had the record holding VW dragster and Vic's mother drove it.
     
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