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  1. May 24, 2019 #21

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    I'm a bit out of my depth because I'm not closely involved in building one but i do think you might be at least partially correct.

    I believe it's a tapered pin that's used in the spar to capture the part. The spring may be a safety type device to let the pilot know it's connected?

    I'm guessing. I noticed that as well and wondered the same thing
     
  2. May 24, 2019 #22

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    I thunk it was Shelter cove. And the home airport looks like Benton in Redding
     
  3. May 24, 2019 #23

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    The stall speed will vary as the inverse of the wing loading squared. To drop from 55 stall to 45, you'll need 50% more wing area. Yes, a lot. A 3' increase in span would drop about 7% from the stall speed, about 4kts. You'd need to make some structural changes, a thicker root would help there.
    Other options would be effective high lift devices, then you are adding complexity. A 20' span and flaps would be where I would look to drop the stall.
    The Sonerai would be high on my list of used EABs to look at if I was in the market.
     
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  4. May 24, 2019 #24

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    The ones who have tried it have said its not worth it.
    I've looked around a lot and there are opportunities out there but if I expect my wife to learn some basics this probably isn't the one for us.:(
     
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  5. May 24, 2019 #25

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    Women, they ruin all the fun. :D
     
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    Why?


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    I have flown four different Sonerais, three were S-1's, one was a 2 mid wing, standard tail. None of them stalled blow 60 indicated. Weight is everything with a Sonerai.....
     
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    Mark, what's the scoop on this Sonerai? Yours? Do you know him?

    It's beautiful.
     
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    This airplane belongs to Kevin Ross, my neighbor and fellow mentor that helps out at the local high school where we build RV12s. He says it’s a 20 minute airplane and loves the VW. He’s building a Panther now and is unsure what will become of the Sonerai. I’ll introduce you to him at Oshkosh, he usually attends the Sonerai gathering out there.
     
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    Actually, she is encouraging me to do the airplane thing so she is the one bringing the fun!;)

    Crud, I knew someone was going to ask that. I feel like its a big step for me so what about her? I want her to be able to land it as well. Not selling her short as she is very competitive. I also have looked at landing speeds vs survival and it seems about 45 will heighten the odds significantly.

    Thats what I'm seeing, thanks for that info.
     
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  12. May 25, 2019 #32

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    High landing speeds do not make landings more difficult; they make crosswind landings easier. Learning to touch down at 70 MPH is not any more difficult than doing it at 40.

    They do increase the hazard of an off airport landing. Sort of like driving on the Interstate verses driving around a residential area.


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    The VW engine is a good power plant for the Sonerai airframe...they are well matched.
    There are horror stories about every engine that has ever been produced and they are generally unfounded.......a friend of a friends brother knew a guy once....etc.
    VW engines do have a few quirks but if you understand what the engine is and don't try to make it something that it's not then they are typically smooth and dependable.
    Unfortunately,I dont think mankind has built anything that is 100% IDIOT proof.....just saying.

    I flew a 2180 Revmaster for years and never had a moment's trouble from it.
    Change the oil regularly,check the valve tolerances regularly.....go fly.

    If you've never had a chance to fly behind a VW you should try to find someone to give you the opportunity....your apprehension about the engine will change afterwards.

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    Being a fast plane, small propellers are actually preferred. A VW wants some rpm. Makes the match really work. Lugging a VW with a big prop trying to get Continental performance is always where it goes wrong.
     
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    TFF.......those big props tend to be a tad bit harsh on the crank don't they..lol

    Kevin
     
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    The difference between 60 and 45 in a off airport landing is you only sorta die just a little bit more. Haha
     
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    Mark. Some cockpit photos would be cool if you have time. It's fun seeing how people layout cockpits.
     
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    LS, your not helping the cause! LOL
    This. I feel I have an obligation to her and my family to put us in as safe of an airplane as I can afford within a performance category. And the Sonerai is a great budget plane especially if a project/restore can be found. I think a low wing would be best for her motion sickness. She would actually prefer a side by side but performance seems to take a hit unless a high dollar engine is used. So around and around I go....
     
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    For the fist few hours I had to continuously remind myself on takeoff and climbing, "left rudder, left rudder" on the VW.
    I got so used to hand propping the VW engine CW,Bob Barrows needed a hand prop to start his Bearhawk at my place and I was turning the LYC CW trying to hand prop it :) Bob said, "What in the world are you trying to do ? " and started laughing. I shouldn't have told that on me :) Couple of my friends was standing nearby and I still hear about it.
     
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    I know your situation extremely well. My solution was to take care of me first because it's my passion and that withstands everything. Anyone else wants to go with we rent a certified airplane.
     

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