Sonerai

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  1. May 23, 2019 #1

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    This video was suggested in my YouTube feed this morning, I feel like I'm being stalked by computers. Haha.

    I decided to watch it. The first half is a young kid restoring it and he really did a nice job. The second half is really something to watch.

    The second half of the video has flying scenes and footage that's quite beautiful and remarkable. I didn't expect it.

    I tried to search for a dedicated "Sonerai" thread and didn't find one that was a general purpose Sonerai info thread so I started one. It's a shame more folks aren't building a Sonerai. While I'm a bit on the fence about a VW it's certainly proven itself and the Sonerai has had great success on a budget.

    Anyhow. The video is pretty fun, especially the second half.

     
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    Nice!!

    He obviously has a lot of faith in that VW.
     
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    Gotta love it! I've been looking at them for a while but wish they had an option for a longer wing with a lower stall. Its a bit hotter than my wife and I would like. Even with that.... sigh!
     
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    Haha, yeah, thinking the same thing.
     
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    Just my opinion of course but the ideal Sonerai is probably a 2 seat Sonerai low wing converted in to a single seater. That would probably be a pretty slick single seater.
     
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    Add a C85 to replace the VW, and I agree.


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    We're now back to a Cassutt. One of my biggest regrets in life
     
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    Yes, I like the Cassutt. The Sonerai cockpit, specially a single seat -II, will be much more comfortable for a sport airplane. Slower. too.


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    Thanks for sharing that. I caught myself grinning several times. Some time ago Great Planes had a red one featured on their catalog. I met the guy who built it and got to sit in it. I'm a big guy and it was really tight. Contact had an article about a guy who built a larger wing to tame it down a bit. For what they are they are very nice.
     
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    I'm a plumber not a engineer but the wing spar on a Sonerai seems like it would be easy to make longer from a builders perspective. Design wise I don't know.

    I bet 18" on each wing and decent wing tips would tame it quite a bit?
     
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    I'm pretty sure the Sonerai on these two photos was owned by a forum member here. I saved these a while back just because I thought it looked like such a lean and elegant version.
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    Exactly what I've been thinking. I wonder if a group of people could get together and pay for new wing design with a thicker airfoil and longer span? If it could get the stall down to 45 mph it would be a hit. And a 3" wider fuse.
     
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    Well, I was really hefty when I sat in Fred Keips Sonerai. Back then I weighed 300 pounds. It was snug but I fit. I've lost weight since then so I'm sure I'd fit much better now.

    Anyhow, pretty easy to build one a inch or two wider in the cockpit I'd imagine.

    I actually prefer it a bit tight. It just feels like I have more control for some odd reason but clearly that a illusion. Lol.

    Someone on here must be able to figure out what 36" total span would do to the flight characteristics? Also, that would be a change in aspect ratio.

    When I sat in Fred's Sonerai I really like it. The VW thing is hard for me though, but I also have zero experience with VW so my bias is based on airplane incident reports. The Sonerai reports when read and understood seem to indicate the airplane is great and the accidents were not really VW problems but operator problems.

    It's probably a great combo.
     
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    I think the Cassutt is great as a racer or just wanting a hot airplane. The Sonerai, especially the low wing, is a better all arounder. I think the VW is in its element with The Sonerai. Quirky airplane and quirky engine. Serious. Not too serious. Cassutt is really all business. Anything different on it is a distraction. Trying to defend a VW as a serious equal to Lycoming or Continental is always missing the point. Matching the V Dub to something that is not too big and not wanting it to fly nonstop across the Atlantic and carry four people make it one of the best showcases for that engine. Not that you can’t fly it coast to coast, but most are not after that with s Sonerai.
     
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    Here's something kinda cool.if you haven't already done it.

    I'm a hour south of Oshkosh / EAA Museum so I frequently go to the museum throughout the year.

    I was visiting and looking over John Monnetts original Sonerai and thinking to myself how the heck can I jump over the barrier and look inside the cockpit. So, talking to a volunteer he said just go online and you'll see a 360° camera view. Sure enough, EAA has been putting 360 cocpit views of these airplanes and you move the view around with your finger on a smart phone or a mouse on your computer. Check it out. Here's a link. Kinda fun.
    https://www.eaa.org/apps/virtualtour/sonerai-cockpit360-eaa.html

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    way cool Mike. Thanks
     
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    Great video! I think I landed at that airport (the one right on the water at the mid point in the video) when I brought a T-craft back home in 2005 or so. If I recall it's called Gold Beach??? Just north of the CA/OR border??? Looks real familiar.
     
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    Neat plane for sure.
    A couple have been built with a Riblett airfoil that let it fly slower and just as fast.
    The little green one always as a favorite since I was a kid.
     
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    Interesting view from the cockpit. There are two springs, one either side of the cockpit, stretched around something. What are they? They look like they might be spar-retaining pins?
     
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