Lifting body + prone position ?

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    "Pea Pod 1963 = 1pCmwM canard; 35hp Kiekhaefer O-4-35 mounted inside the vertical fin; span: 8'0" length: 9'0" load: 220# v (est): 132/115/55 range (est): 350. This odd ship might best be described as a flying barn door with its angular wing of 1.6 aspect ratio. The pilot had a prone position, with most of his body inside the wing. The plane could be carried atop the family auto. Taxi tests were performed, but it reportedly never flew. POP: 1 [N10T]."
     
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    As I recall, this was an attempt at "The World's Smallest Airplane".
     
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    Looks like a canard configuration to me.
     
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    It seems to be a direct decendant from Vincent Burnelli ideas.
     

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    Well, at least the O'Neill PeaPod taxied on a runway, this one does not seem to have done even that.

    Are there any wingbody canards that actually flew in the last 50 years or so..?
     
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    Hello DangerZone there in Zagreb !

    Your keen and respectfull observations warm my old heart.

    BTW: What is a this one ?
     
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    Hello, Retroflyer.

    Which one? I can't see any picture after those last lines.

    What I meant is that there were canards in the past like the PeaPod, Homo Avis and a few others but they never flew well and some never flew at all. Felix Baumgartner, Yves Rossy and a few other successfull flyers of the new millenium use a conventional wingbody while most wingsuits are canards. Thus my question was whether there were any good wingbody CANARDS in the new millenium?
     
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    I don't know of but there was the Moonbat XP-67 for lifting body.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ks8mqgKEjpo

    Miles 30 x was the first airliner proposal.
     

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    This has been forecasted 83 years ago.:ban:
     

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    I can just see all the steampunk fans sweating and shivering and clutching their naughty bits.
     
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    And this is how they do it in reality... :gig:

    [video=youtube;KpcITMpTIXA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpcITMpTIXA[/video]
     
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    Otto Lilienthal would be proud. He made a little hill and could glide in place from the updraft over it.

    Thats the 19th century German guy that the Wright Brothers gave credit to.
     
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    Prone position has been studied in nurflugel site.

    proned pilots
     
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    It is almost insane how the aerodynamics also work in a 1/48 scale flying model that I did of my design with lifting body fuselage and prone position for the pilot.

    I looks as if the scale speed is similar to trans sonic speed at least. I added a thin steel plate as a nose weight....and some spruce to stiffen / straighten the LE....and the speed and glide ratio doubled. I think I have an under wing turbulator, which causes this almost "sick" increase in perfomance.
     
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    Glad you're getting it flying,

    Hopefully you can get something a little more upscale in a few months.

    LuPi
     
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    I wish. I would ban all tube fuselage carriers after this experience...this is so amazing. Just the pressurization still bothers me.

    I think I was able to do to the Vincent Burnelli idea of a lifting fuselage aeroplane what B-2 was to Jack Northrop.

    I actually destroyed the model today accidently it was in the back of the car and a grocery bag rolled over it.

    My daughter consolidated me saying let's fix it tomorrow....and we did whole afternoon today fixing for it for few indoor flights ( longest was 27 ft ).

    The fuselage with wing is intact but the tail feathers were all broken into several pieces.
     
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    And that is precisely the reason why the Burnelli designs failed! :gig:
     
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    No Burnelli designs failed because they despite the crash safety were ugly and no one wanted to fly them except Slick ( Chalmers Hubert ) Goodlin.

    I fixed it today and further flight test were made.

    It is the safest ac for the fuselage part imaginable.

    The intented 20 m spanning model would apparently have 50:1 glideratio.
     

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