Correct sizing, Data Stencil, Kill Markings, Stars & Bars, etc.

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  1. May 9, 2019 #1

    TXFlyGuy

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    Just got off the phone with John at Pacific Fighters, in Idaho Falls.

    He stated that the 100% scale dimensions for the following are:

    Kill Flags = 5" W X 3.5" H

    Data Stencil = Upper Bold lettering 3/4" H, Lower Lettering 1/2" H

    Stars & Bars Circle = 30" diameter

    Note - All other lettering on the P-51 is 1/2" in height.

    The above is the size for a full scale P-51. For your 3/4 scale Warbird, multiply the above by .75.

    Here is our Data Plate:
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    Fly guy, your fonts are wrong and the dimensions he gave you aren't quite correct either. I can get you what you need tomorrow if you can wait.

    Brandon
     
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    Fly guy, be sure to use insignia blue (FS 15044) around the national markings.
     
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    My fonts are simply what was available in my Word Program, not necessarily 100% correct.

    The sizing was given to me by John M., at Pacific Fighters in Idaho Falls. They recently restored Berlin Express, as well as my friend's P-51, Buzzin' Cuzzin'. John was in the middle of painting another P-51, so I am confident that his dimensions are correct.

    I welcome input if you have good data.



     
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    Thank you.
     
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    Tex, there are still lots of WWII-era stencil cutters out there. I recommend finding someone with one that has 3/8” dies and having them do your data blocks. I know it’s tempting to get vinyl cut but if you look there are an awful lot of planes that have had portions of their fake vinyl stencil letters blow off.
     
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    Titan has a stencil maker who can do this. Upon additional research, it is my understanding that the most common font was Arial.
    Also, it was stated that almost anything will look just fine, as long as it does not detract from the overall appearance.

    I am anal about many things concerning my replica P-51. As long as it passes my personal "eye test", I will be happy.
     
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    Until recently, most real P-51s have had most markings off. Most owners or painters did not have the eye for the balance of how the markings were from pictures. The modelers have always been keen on this. Their hobby is having the markings perfect; that is literally what the live for. They can’t have a real one, so their miniature will be perfect. There are many forums like this where they are arguing over very minuscule details. Side note I’m building a 1/4 scale sopwith camel and one of my markings is a 1/16” too wide on something 1” wide. It shows up like a sore thumb to me. That Hope P-51 last year and the D they had the last couple are just the craziest perfect planes I have seen. Those are the only ones I have seen that were modeler quality.
     
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    Yes, I have noticed that the modelers are crazy anal over these minute details.
    Just like guys who collect leather flight jackets, G-1’s, A-2’s, etc. They get all bent out of shape over things like the correct stitch count.
     
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    Arial was designed in the early 1980s. It was a knockoff of Helvetica, which was designed in the 1950s. It's pretty unlikely that either was used on WW2-era aircraft.

    Here's a free font that's as close as anything I've seen: https://www.dafont.com/usaaf-stencil.font

    This image comes with it:

    USAAFStencilCharacters[1].jpg
     
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    The fuselage had a 30" base circle and the wings had a 35". North American called out a non standard surround band of two inches on both 30" and 35" star and bars. Military standard for the day was one eighth the base circle radius. Now I believe the T-51 has a 66% scale wing so the 30" base circle may work on both.

    I've got two custom fonts I've made for my award winning restoration shop that are what you need. If you send me an email address I'll get them to you because I'm not a prick.

    Is that data good enough?
     
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    Our wing / fuselage is correct 3/4 scale. 28' wingspan, 24' fuselage.

    Yes. Spot on. The next beer is on me, because I am a nice guy too! Thanks.
     
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    Isn't the manufacturer of an E-AB the actual builder?
     
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    I think we have it...

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    Yep, that looks really good. Is that one from Deuelly?
     
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    Yes. Plus the Stars & Bars link was from K. Holiday.
     
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    Here is the latest revision. Note that a bit of artistic license has been employed on our part...

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    Now I just learned about this...the circle size on the fuselage is actually a 36" diameter, with the wings being 35 inches. How did this happen?
    FF16DD7C-5F9B-4B5E-8660-9BE1B00883DC.jpg
     
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    Scan.jpg
     
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