For Sale YT-33 First Personal Jet Ever Built

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  1. Apr 8, 2015 #1

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    Up for sale is the First ever built personal jet called the YT-33 replicated from LockheedT-33 scaled down to 2/3. It took them little over 6 years to build the YT-33 from start in 1987 to finish in 1994 with a price tag of 400k I am posting the complete article of the Jet below. 2nd owner with about 80 hours of flight time on it. currently not flyable due to transportation accident. Will need left wing reconstruction and minor damage to right wing tip. Willing to sell Jet engine separately. Its a Turbomeca Marbore I1A French-built single-stage turbojet engine
    used in the 1950s in the early versions of the Fouga CM 170 Magister military trainer and the 4-place Fouga/Potez MS 760A Paris I business jet. It produces 880 pounds of thrust for takeoffand can produce 795 pounds continuously. Very compact, it is 51.65 in. long and 22.3 in. in diameter. The basic weight is 320 Ibs. Hre is what the bird looked like before.
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    Here are pictures of the tail section now. Everything is perfect on it.
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    Here are pictures of Jet engine
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    I currently dont have the pictures of the rest it and the damage. If are serious and interested in buying a piece of history or make history Send me a private message or text me at 9797777170. I am accepting reasonable offers on it.
     
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    Not interested myself, but pictures that make it look as though it's been sitting outside in a junkyard aren't going to make it easy to sell...

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    I understand that but at the same time i dont want to mislead someone in thinking that the aircraft is in flying condition and that it is going to take work to get there. Now the Jet engine is perfectly fine and will fire up. Thanks for the heads up though and i will still being posting updated pictures as i get them.
     
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    Years ago I would have jumped on that engine. Had the opportunity to buy one years ago for about $5k. These motors are still used in Fouga and other planes and can be sought after. For the average homebuilder it looks attractive until you look at fuel flow. Would be fun to have the sort of funds to operate one. Can't remember whether two of them or one of them is 75 gallons an hour. I think one.
     
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    Wasn't the first personal jet ever built. That was probably the Hammer-Hunt HH-1 Zipper, first flown in 1979. Spun in during flight testing.
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    Not surprising; looks like nowhere near enough vertical fin area, especially considering all that forward fuselage area.

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    Always wondered what happened to it. Any tooling with it?
     
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    Its actually 60gph for one
     
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    Thanks, that's probably a cruise at altitude number and sounds right. I can think of ways to use an engine like this. It would have to be a low drag high altitude design that you could throttle back to a small fuel flow setting while going pretty fast. But you still have to lift enough fuel to get any range. Half scale U2? Would be fun to play with it certainly.
     
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    I remember the articles on this airplane "back in the day". It's a shame to see it in such poor condition. :ermm:
     
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    Ron, any chance this is a second design by the same designer(s)? I have a distinct memory of a very similar light jet racing at the Mojave National Air Races back in the '70's, in the Jet division. Couldn't be this one, if it crashed in flight test. IIRC, the jet I saw was straight wing, though, but had virtually the same paint job. Have never been able to locate a reference to it, however.
     
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    The "very first personal jet".... in 1987 eh?... Is Corkey Fornoff ever on this forum? What about JR Bede himself?
    Richard Bach's Comments on Jim Bede and the BD-5

    In 1981 or 82, I walked into the Soaring Society of America at Santa Monica airport and picked up a brochure for the Caproni A-21SJ jet glider. It was in serial production at that time if I recall.

    Those pesky little facts always ruin a good story, don't they?
     
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    It's certainly possible; the designer (Bob Hammer) was a Boeing aircraft designer. However, Hammer did build some other homebuilts in the '70s, and may not have had enough time. He eventually paired with Dave Woodcock to build a pair of Thurston Seafires (aka Trojan), and he took Oshkosh Grand Champion with his.

    Hammer *has* been building personal jets for the past decade or so. He runs the Me-262 operation at Paine Field.

    And Victor Bravo brings up a good point, the BD-5J certainly predates the Zipper.

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    Good afternoon all,

    I was searching for a picture of our HH-1 on the net and ran into this site. The HH-1 Zipper, certainly flew before the BD-5J. The original BD-5 flew in 1971. The BD-5J first flew late in 1979/1980. I know as I was there. Jim Bede was a member of EAA Chapter 26 in Seattle. Where , my Dad Bob Hammer was Chapter President. Molt Taylor, Jim Bede, and quite a cast of notables were all in Chapter 26 in the 70's and 80's.

    Anyways, we lost the Zipper in a flat spin, due to an airshow routine that LtCol Richard Hunt (USAF RET) was performing that fateful night in August 1979. He was getting ready to take the airplane to Reno and demonstrate her capabilities to the crowd there. The only airshow appearance N2200Z made was Arlington, and what a demo it was!!

    Anyways, the HH-1 was the first homebuilt jet of its kind, far before this YT-33, and before the BD-5J. The performance numbers for the HH-1 were incredible with that big, light weight GE J85-17 engine up on top. If we would have had the drag chute installed that night in August she would still be with us, as Dick could've recovered from the spin. ( We had removed it for the tail cone install, for a quick check of flutter issues)

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    I enjoyed your dad's article on the Zipper that was in the Experimental Aircraft Symposium book from June 28, 1975. There were good pictures of it in Air Progress Aviation Review. On the subject of the earliest personal jet I believe that Dale Myers Weejet predates all of the above.
     
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    MrGoo... where's that article you mentioned that you were posting in the first post?
     
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    In fact, none of these are even close to being the first personal jet ever built, which is probably the SIPA S.200 Minijet, first flight January 1952, cruising speed 225 mph on a tiny 330 lb thrust Turbomeca Palas, designed by Yves Gardan of Minicab fame. If I could pick any plane in the world to own and fly, this one would be on the list of possibilities, and I'd be tackling a modern version if anyone offered an affordable 300-500 lb thrust turbofan. See Luc van Bavel's excellent site History of Personal Jets as well as The Minijets Website: Accueil for lots more info.

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    Daniel,

    Unfortunately your memory isn't serving you well.
    The first BD-5J flew either late 1972 or early 1973. I know this because I own the second BEDE factory jet (N152BD)
    And it was first flown in 1973. And have the log book to prove it. I know this is a late response, but I just ran across this forum and had to respond. Here's N152BD today
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    A guy in France built a jet version of the Vari Viggen that flew in 1979. However, if "personal" means single place, I guess it doesn't qualify.
    http://stargazer2006.online.fr/derivatives/pages/microstar.htm

    There was a jet Fauvel AV-45 sailplane for a while. Not sure just when. More at nurflugel.com

    Gotta admit the YT-33 is a beautiful bird.
     
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    There is a Yt33 flying here in Australia- has been for many years and a regular at shows/fly ins.
     

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