Would you purchase a electric plane kit with the following specs?

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  1. Jul 24, 2016 #1

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    HBA,

    I am trying to see if there is a market for a product and what better way to know than to ask people that will use it!

    Would you purchase a electric plane kit with the following specs?
    • 160 HP
    • 1:15 Flight Time with 30 Min reserve
    • 98 Kts
    • 2 Person (Max Weight of 373 Lbs Pax + Cargo)
    • Includes a 14" Display
      • Battery Level
      • Battery Status (Health)
      • Map with remaining range
      • Instruments (RPM, Backup instruments fed from Garmin instrument can bus)
    • 10 Hour charge time on a 50 Amp 240 Volt plug
    • 5 Hour charge time on a 100 Amp 240 Volt charger (installs directly to distribution/breaker panel)
    • 45 minute charger at select locations
    • For 150K USD + airframe (old cessna 172) + Garmin avionics.
    If no could you tell me why not?

    This would be experimental but thinking if certified it be a great fit for flight schools
    What are your thoughts?
     
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    No.

    Because I can buy many airplanes today, right now, that far exceed the range, speed, duration, payload, and flying qualities you specify.

    And I would have $50 - $75k left over for gas.
     
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    The real answer is you have to do it, to do it first. Too many dreams that sound like what you have and no proof. Until someone shows up with one grubby hands can touch, it ain't happened. Until you have one, you will not know if there is a market. The only answer you will have is from the dreamers with no money.
     
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    If an old C-172 is converted (as stated) then it will be experimental exhibition. Very limited.
     
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    He could always apply for a STC. Costs $$$. Reality until someone has a true proof of concept as Experimental Exhibition or Experimental for manufacturers testing or a full on homebuilt like a Bearhawk, all dreams.
     
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    No, because price seems extreme to me.

    There are now a number of all electric cars on the market very well proven from Tesla and Nissan for example and the Tesla can be had brand new for $70K with the Nissan at $30K with others coming.

    Whether ultimately $150K is a fair price or not, buying a Nissan for that $30K and cannibalizing it, offers a mindset that I could accomplish the same task at a far reduced price.

    And that's for new stuff, Shirley there's a few cheap Prius around now although I'm not familiar enough with their systems to comment further.

    There's big related news coming out of China right now also, BYD are apparently offering their complete electric car platforms/drivetrains to anyone.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BYD_e6

    BYD launches two new all-electric sedans for Chinese market
     
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    Battery powered (short endurance) only makes sense for flight schools, so it has to be certified.

    1:45hrs in a C172 is also completely unrealistic.

    Whatch what Pipistrel is doing with their electric.
     
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    I own an "old 172". I flew it home for $12,000 in 2009.

    Where you get the value of $150K for an airplane like this is beyond me.
     
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    Read it again, the $150K is for the kit to convert a 172, there is no plane, you supply that yourself.
     
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    I think these two points taken together pretty much guarantee a lack of interest.
     
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    Why would I pay $150,000 dollars to reduce the performance of an airplane?
     
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    No, the useful load is way too low and to be useful to a flight school they must be able to fly multiple times a day. A 5 to 10 hour charge time might only allow one lesson a day, also the same airplane could not be used for cross countries and 150K plus a 172 how would you ever earn any money with it
     
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    For far less than half that price, I would find an engine less C 152 , remoove the tri gear, inverse and put the main gear around the wings struts attach, install a new Verner 7H scarlett on the front, built a somewhat rounded ruder, bush wheels, nice vintage paint job......maybee, built a hangar!:gig:
     
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    Pay 150K for an electric airplane less airframe that you can't use to go anywhere ,so I can feel good about myself for being green, not thinking about where the electric comes from that you are using out of the grid breaker panel. Will not sell to people in fly-over country, maybe a very few in the east and west coast. No thanks.

    I would rather buy an old C-175 with a bad engine and sell the fuselage and engine for parts. Use the long range 172/175 wings with a STOL kit and also the tail surfaces and build a 4130 tube fuselage 48" wide ( sort of like a 2 place Bearhawk with LOTS of baggage room and sleeping space of two. Tail dragger, Lyc- 360, 200+ hp. I drew plans for the fuselage and had the tail surfaces and was looking for wings when the article for the Bearhawk came out in Sport aviation in 10/95. Decided to build a Bearhawk. Still think it would make a nice airplane. Wish I was younger.
     
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    Just for argument's sake, ....while back they were talking about "peak oil", not sure where that discussion went, but at some point we will run out of oil (???). Perhaps with inflation by that time that would be a reasonable price. Do not give up your dream it might turn out to be reasonable.
     
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    Funny you mentioned I started thinking about it a few hours before posting this.
    I know of course that a first step would be a experimental R&D for showing it's doable.

    But the STC route could work depending on how flexible the FAA is with those regulations that specify things for gas engines.

    I started thinking about it by cannibalizing a Tesla but quickly learned that it was more complex and more expensive that way.

    I think George Bye is now in charge of another company which is building the Sunflyer.

    It may be off by around 15 minutes on flight time but a few more easy improvements could make it hit 1:45 easily.
    I saw pipistrel whatsupp 2 and the new hybrid they are working on hypstair they still have a gas engine so I don't forseee low maintenace cost on that.

    It could be charged in 45 minutes if a Fast DC charger was installed by the flight school.

    Not just running out of oil which is gonna take a few hundred years to happen are gonna make this doable.
    Improvements in technology may also accelerate this. If electronic technology keeps up in 5-8 years this could have a 3 hour range.
     
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    My understanding is the FAA will not Type certificate (or STC?) any electric motor at this time.
    They would need criteria and rules that don't exist.

    "I think George Bye is now in charge of another company which is building the Sunflyer"
    No need for certification if you can keep starting companies and never sell anything.
     
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    If no STC, homebuilt to prove it works. Just like the Oregon homebuilders proving modern homebuilt planes were safe or Wittman using the Tailwind that 2 seat homebuilts were safe, someone has to be the first to force the establishment. I hope you are more tenacious to get it done.
     
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    I would not; the useful load is adequate only for two 50th percentile men.
     

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