Would you buy a MPG wonder if it was available ?

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Hi everyone !

I am thinking of becoming an aeroplane manufacturer and switching from housebusiness into my passion the aeroplanes. As you might already know I have been sketching like a "madman" to find a new kinda economical aeroplane concept. It is pretty near...at least my aviation friends thinks so that the design is a good one and worth to develop into a product. Well the market is crowded and danger is imminent, but still. What I would like to know is, if I manage to pull out a design that goes 80-120 miles per gallon at 70-90 mph would you be interested...and furthermore if it flew as electric version only with solarpower ( + accus for take off lasting 1-2 hours at one charge ) will that interest you ? Then other question...would you be more interested of a pre fab kit or a more ready to fly version ?

Thanks for your time !

best regards,

Juke
 
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Re: Would you buy a MPG wonder it if was available ?

What I would like to know is, if I manage to pull out a design that goes 80-120 miles per gallon at 70-90 mph would you be interested...
Not really. It's far too slow to be practical. It would likely interest those who are not looking for an aircraft as a way to get point A to point B but rather just want to fly around the pattern at their local field.

and furthermore if it flew as electric version only with solarpower ( + accus for take off lasting 1-2 hours at one charge ) will that interest you ?
Not really. I don't fully trust electric aircraft let alone solar.
 

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Re: Would you buy a MPG wonder it if was available ?

build a working prototype that fulfills your claims, then consider the career change.
 

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Re: Would you buy a MPG wonder it if was available ?

Well, there's an honest answer. Solar power interests me greatly. The (black) space cells give the best output/surface, not sure what's best on weight. How is 90MPH too slow. It's much faster than I'm used to at least. As for the fuel, people only care about costs, and unfortunately I do too. 100mpg is great, but it needs to be from cheap fuel. The kit would be good, if you can get it under 10 grand I think you'll have buyers. Anything that takes more that 300 hours doesn't interest me though. Don't want to spend my life in a shop trying to convince myself it's coming along. Would like a 5 hour range. What's the point of all that economy if you have to stop and refuel?

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Re: Would you buy a MPG wonder it if was available ?

Your description is far too vague to form an opinion. How much would it cost? What would the payload be? What would the range be? What would the takeoff and landing performance be? What would the handling characteristics be like? What kind of product support would your company offer? What's the track record of your design team and company? These are just a few of the questions that would need to have believable answers before you can expect any useful feedback on the market potential of a product. Having done some inbound marketing on highly technical products I can tell you that the quality of the information you receive is very directly related to the quality of the information you put out and thus to the effort you put into it before asking for feedback. A quick post to web forum will get you information that is worth about the effort put into it; which is to say, not much.
 

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Re: Would you buy a MPG wonder it if was available ?

Not really. It's far too slow to be practical. It would likely interest those who are not looking for an aircraft as a way to get point A to point B but rather just want to fly around the pattern at their local field.



Not really. I don't fully trust electric aircraft let alone solar.
I see SVSUSteve, thank you very much for you answer.

Would you get one if it flew 1200 nm at 10 gallons non stop at 100 mph ?..or a version that flew 1600 nautical miles at 30 gallons at 165 mph ?
 

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Re: Would you buy a MPG wonder it if was available ?

build a working prototype that fulfills your claims, then consider the career change.

This a valid argument and I am actually trying to validate which version of it I ought to concentreate on.
 

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Re: Would you buy a MPG wonder it if was available ?

Well, there's an honest answer. Solar power interests me greatly. The (black) space cells give the best output/surface, not sure what's best on weight. How is 90MPH too slow. It's much faster than I'm used to at least. As for the fuel, people only care about costs, and unfortunately I do too. 100mpg is great, but it needs to be from cheap fuel. The kit would be good, if you can get it under 10 grand I think you'll have buyers. Anything that takes more that 300 hours doesn't interest me though. Don't want to spend my life in a shop trying to convince myself it's coming along. Would like a 5 hour range. What's the point of all that economy if you have to stop and refuel?

Mountain
How about 20 grand and 100 hours of building ?
 

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Re: Would you buy a MPG wonder it if was available ?

Your description is far too vague to form an opinion. How much would it cost? What would the payload be? What would the range be? What would the takeoff and landing performance be? What would the handling characteristics be like? What kind of product support would your company offer? What's the track record of your design team and company? These are just a few of the questions that would need to have believable answers before you can expect any useful feedback on the market potential of a product. Having done some inbound marketing on highly technical products I can tell you that the quality of the information you receive is very directly related to the quality of the information you put out and thus to the effort you put into it before asking for feedback. A quick post to web forum will get you information that is worth about the effort put into it; which is to say, not much.

I am asking this in general as a poll type thing. I understand your arguments they are heavy and right on a subject.

Intent is to take of at 600 feet and 2000 km range or even more. Payload is very limited lap top and clothes..maybe a sleeping bag.

Test pilot so far has commented that it looks very good....and very real.

Heavily flapped I think it lands on a 300 feet.
 

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Re: Would you buy a MPG wonder it if was available ?

Would you get one if it flew 1200 nm at 10 gallons non stop at 100 mph ?..or a version that flew 1600 nautical miles at 30 gallons at 165 mph ?
Can I get one that uses 20 gallons @ 150MPH? I like your custom Range and fuel consumption option, truly novel.

In all truth, planes are too rich for me. But I learn and buy tools and break things now and again and call it destructive testing...

Mountain
 

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Re: Would you buy a MPG wonder it if was available ?

Can I get one that uses 20 gallons @ 150MPH? I like your custom Range and fuel consumption option, truly novel.

In all truth, planes are too rich for me. But I learn and buy tools and break things now and again and call it destructive testing...

Mountain[/QUOTE]

I figure the 150-160 mph version burns 2,5 gallons an hour. 90 mph version does 0,65 gallons per hour.
 

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Re: Would you buy a MPG wonder it if was available ?

Would you get one if it flew 1200 nm at 10 gallons non stop at 100 mph ?
The issue isn't necessarily the fuel consumption when you're talking long range. The idea of 12 hours (which exceeds the recommended duty day for pilots in the US by the way) non-stop in a light aircraft without a bathroom seems like less than a great idea. For a range above 1000 nm, it would have to have a top speed in excess of 200-250 kts to make it practical for non-stop use. The endurance of the aircraft is less important than the endurance of the human bladder.
 

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The endurance of the aircraft is less important than the endurance of the human bladder.
Truer words have never been spoken. And the endurance is only as good as the worst-endurance bladder of any of the aircraft's occupants.
 

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Re: Would you buy a MPG wonder it if was available ?

The issue isn't necessarily the fuel consumption when you're talking long range. The idea of 12 hours (which exceeds the recommended duty day for pilots in the US by the way) non-stop in a light aircraft without a bathroom seems like less than a great idea.
It works just fine, glider pilots do it all the time (relief tube). I've once done 5 successive flights for a total of 40 hours, no big deal if you don't HAVE to. Plenty of glider pilots who fly 200 hours in a month. Getthereitis is far more dangerous...
 

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Re: Would you buy a MPG wonder it if was available ?

The trouble is that you really need to design for a market and in getting into the business, figure out what your biggest market is going to be. I'd guess that if you're talking Europe, where flying is not only expensive but also rather restricted, the economical slow flyer designed for buzzing at your local airport may be the logical choice of product. The same plane however would most likely not sell in the US since distances to travel are longer, gas is slightly less expensive and flyable airspace is generally pretty open, except for a few areas around Washington DC and the large hub airports.

Personally, if I were to buy another airplane, I would not buy anything cramped nor anything that flies at less than 200 mph. I might trade off a bit of top end for payload and maybe a durable undercarriage for non-paved runways. But I would have no interest in anything that slow and marginal.
 

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Re: Would you buy a MPG wonder it if was available ?

It works just fine, glider pilots do it all the time (relief tube).
12 hours is a bit much and I don't like the idea of wearing a relief tube and I think a lot of folks have a similar take on it.
 

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Re: Would you buy a MPG wonder it if was available ?

The trouble is that you really need to design for a market and in getting into the business, figure out what your biggest market is going to be. I'd guess that if you're talking Europe, where flying is not only expensive but also rather restricted, the economical slow flyer designed for buzzing at your local airport may be the logical choice of product. The same plane however would most likely not sell in the US since distances to travel are longer, gas is slightly less expensive and flyable airspace is generally pretty open, except for a few areas around Washington DC and the large hub airports.

Personally, if I were to buy another airplane, I would not buy anything cramped nor anything that flies at less than 200 mph. I might trade off a bit of top end for payload and maybe a durable undercarriage for non-paved runways. But I would have no interest in anything that slow and marginal.
I'll second all of this with the one addition that if I were to have any interest in a small, slow craft it would be strictly for having fun putting around the local area. Speed would not be a primary consideration and range would be irrelevant. It would be all about fun. I have a Luscombe now for that purpose. It's worth about $25K U.S. today and will likely appreciate some over time. And it has the attraction of being a "classic".
 
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