# What scale and composition of your favorite Warbird would you purchase?

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## What scale and composition of your favorite warbird would you purchase?

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1. Dec 3, 2019

### BJC

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2. Dec 3, 2019

### Riggerrob

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As I mentioned on the "1/2 scale repilcas" thread, WAR airframes are based upon Ken Rand's KR-1 and KR-2 wood, foam and fibreglas airplanes.
Ken Rand was not a large man and most KR-2s contain two seats, but can only fit and fly one large pilot.
Scale requirements make WAR canopies much narrower. I tried sitting a in WAR Sea Fury replica, but concluded that it was too tight for 190 pound, 6 foot tall me wearing a bomber jacket. Forget about wearing a pilot emergency parachute!
In conclusion, WARs are great for small pilots who build them light-weight, but not quite big enough for many "well-nourished" pilots.

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3. Dec 3, 2019

### Himat

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The FFVS J22 is the size of a Beechcraft Bonanza or Cessna Skylane. One of the smaller WW2 fighter planes. Power was modest, a Pratt & Whitney R-1830 Twin Wasp. Chosen because a Swedish company had obtained a production licence and could manufacture them domestically. Or, as other sources say, the plane was designed around the largest available engine to get performance at the same level as contemporary Spitfires and ME 109 marks.

Less four AKAN’s the plane gets at least 100kg lighter, with a smaller engine a full size look alike may be possible to build almost as light as Bonanza. Performance should then be like much like a Bonanza flown solo.

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4. Dec 4, 2019

### N804RV

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Already know the replica I want. The Thunder Mustang with the Falconer V12. Just need about $0.75M more saved up. 5. Dec 4, 2019 ### BJC ### BJC #### Well-Known MemberHBA Supporter Joined: Oct 7, 2013 Messages: 10,023 Likes Received: 6,769 Location: 97FL, Florida, USA 6. Dec 4, 2019 ### mcrae0104 ### mcrae0104 #### Armchair Mafia ConspiratorHBA Supporter Joined: Oct 27, 2009 Messages: 3,074 Likes Received: 2,093 Location: BDU, BJC 7. Dec 4, 2019 ### bifft ### bifft #### Well-Known Member Joined: Apr 17, 2011 Messages: 245 Likes Received: 90 Location: Utah My long time dream is a 75% Hayate, with a Rotec or Verner radial. 28 ft span 130 ft^2 area, 1300-1500 lb gross weight. Built in metal, cause I don't like working with composites. Downside is that neither of those is considered a aerobatic engine, and I couldn't confine my "warbird" to straight and level. Could do 80-90% with a M14, and those are plenty aerobatic, but I don't think I could afford to feed it. cluttonfred likes this. 8. Dec 4, 2019 ### BJC ### BJC #### Well-Known MemberHBA Supporter Joined: Oct 7, 2013 Messages: 10,023 Likes Received: 6,769 Location: 97FL, Florida, USA Thanks, but the Thunder Mustang, as nice as it is, just isn’t my cup of tea. N804RV might be interested, though. BJC 9. Dec 4, 2019 ### mcrae0104 ### mcrae0104 #### Armchair Mafia ConspiratorHBA Supporter Joined: Oct 27, 2009 Messages: 3,074 Likes Received: 2,093 Location: BDU, BJC True, but he doesn't live in Florida. BJC likes this. 10. Dec 4, 2019 ### Riggerrob ### Riggerrob #### Well-Known Member Joined: Sep 9, 2014 Messages: 1,218 Likes Received: 357 Location: Canada FFS J22 and 99 other prototypes are illustrated in Justo Miranda's new book "Enemy at the Gates: Panic Fighters." It covers a huge variety of sketches, mock-ups, prototypes, short production runs, etc. in the lead up to World War Two. Australia, Britain, Canada, Finland, Italy, Japan, Latvia, Romania, Yugoslavia, etc. It goes on sale tomorrow (2019 December 5). Dozens of replicas of the most popular American warbirds have already been built, so if you really want to be the centre of attention at the next pancake breakfast, build a replica of one of these obscure airplanes. I challenge hb.commers to build replicas of some of the more obscure light fighters sketched during the desperate days of the late 1930s. You might even get recognized as a national hero for reviving an obscure piece of national history (e.g. a Swede building a FFS J22 replica or a Canadian building a FDB-1). 11. Dec 5, 2019 ### Dennis K ### Dennis K #### Member Joined: May 23, 2014 Messages: 8 Likes Received: 3 Location: Portsmouth, NH USA The ME-108 would be my choice. 12. Dec 6, 2019 ### J Galt ### J Galt #### MemberLifetime Supporter Joined: Nov 30, 2019 Messages: 8 Likes Received: 1 Location: KMAN, Idaho That ME108 would look cool and provide utility. Hard to beat that. Justin 13. Dec 6, 2019 ### N804RV ### N804RV #### Well-Known MemberHBA Supporter Joined: Jun 10, 2013 Messages: 169 Likes Received: 67 Location: Mount Vernon, WA The Papa51 in Controller looks interesting. But, I had in mind the new kit from this guy. His shop/hangar is in my neighborhood. And, for$675k, he'll help you build it.

https://www.thundermustang.com/

14. Dec 6, 2019

### BJC

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My understanding, from talking to a Thunder Mustang builder/owner many years ago, is that the Falconer engine is o longer in production. Can anyone here confirm or correct that

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15. Dec 6, 2019

### RJW

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Agree. The J22 is a beautiful airplane. I stumbled on it a few years ago when I was looking at a bunch of light fighters from WW2. A lot of these light fighters are really cool airplanes. Build a full-scale but lighter version of this airplane with a smaller motor and you'd have something very cool with fun performance.

Related, I have been dreaming for a long time about building a full-scale Me 109 in a similar way. 109s are tiny, tiny, tiny. A lighter version with an LS motor would be fun, relatively fast, and convincing. After all, early 109s flew with 600HP and fixed props. I have most of the production drawings for the 109. Maybe someday...

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16. Dec 6, 2019

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I did read an article where Falconer said he had shut down the shop and was working by himself in his garage/shop. I think he said he was in his 70's, sounded like he is at least half retired. There's a V12 out of Australia that is interesting: http://racecast.com.au/v12ls/
Justin

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Falconer still show V12s on their website. Falconer probably does not want to hear you tell them its going in an airplane anymore. The engine is shown as part of the kit, so I imagine its a TM only buy if its for airplanes. Liability. Production is probably a generous term. I bet its give them \$100K and they whittle you an engine.

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### pictsidhe

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Russia was fond of small fighters.

19. Dec 7, 2019

### Saville

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Yep. If I had the cash I'd be flying a Thunder Mustang.

I've wondered about engine maintenance though.....do your sea level standard A&P have the skills for that?

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