# What scale and composition of your favorite Warbird would you purchase?

## What scale and composition of your favorite warbird would you purchase?

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BJC

#### Riggerrob

##### Well-Known Member
As I mentioned on the "1/2 scale repilcas" thread, WAR airframes are based upon Ken Rand's KR-1 and KR-2 wood, foam and fibreglas airplanes.
Ken Rand was not a large man and most KR-2s contain two seats, but can only fit and fly one large pilot.
Scale requirements make WAR canopies much narrower. I tried sitting a in WAR Sea Fury replica, but concluded that it was too tight for 190 pound, 6 foot tall me wearing a bomber jacket. Forget about wearing a pilot emergency parachute!
In conclusion, WARs are great for small pilots who build them light-weight, but not quite big enough for many "well-nourished" pilots.

#### Himat

##### Well-Known Member
That FFVS would be great, it's like a radial 109. Could probably do a 90-100% scale clone using an R-985 as long as the payload is strictly pilot and a bag or two
The FFVS J22 is the size of a Beechcraft Bonanza or Cessna Skylane. One of the smaller WW2 fighter planes. Power was modest, a Pratt & Whitney R-1830 Twin Wasp. Chosen because a Swedish company had obtained a production licence and could manufacture them domestically. Or, as other sources say, the plane was designed around the largest available engine to get performance at the same level as contemporary Spitfires and ME 109 marks.

Less four AKAN’s the plane gets at least 100kg lighter, with a smaller engine a full size look alike may be possible to build almost as light as Bonanza. Performance should then be like much like a Bonanza flown solo.

#### N804RV

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Already know the replica I want. The Thunder Mustang with the Falconer V12. Just need about $0.75M more saved up. #### BJC ##### Well-Known Member HBA Supporter #### mcrae0104 ##### Well-Known Member HBA Supporter Log Member Wanna go in for half? Hangar it here in the summer and your place in the winter. #### bifft ##### Well-Known Member My long time dream is a 75% Hayate, with a Rotec or Verner radial. 28 ft span 130 ft^2 area, 1300-1500 lb gross weight. Built in metal, cause I don't like working with composites. Downside is that neither of those is considered a aerobatic engine, and I couldn't confine my "warbird" to straight and level. Could do 80-90% with a M14, and those are plenty aerobatic, but I don't think I could afford to feed it. #### BJC ##### Well-Known Member HBA Supporter Wanna go in for half? Hangar it here in the summer and your place in the winter. Thanks, but the Thunder Mustang, as nice as it is, just isn’t my cup of tea. N804RV might be interested, though. BJC #### mcrae0104 ##### Well-Known Member HBA Supporter Log Member Thanks, but the Thunder Mustang, as nice as it is, just isn’t my cup of tea. N804RV might be interested, though. True, but he doesn't live in Florida. BJC #### Riggerrob ##### Well-Known Member FFS J22 and 99 other prototypes are illustrated in Justo Miranda's new book "Enemy at the Gates: Panic Fighters." It covers a huge variety of sketches, mock-ups, prototypes, short production runs, etc. in the lead up to World War Two. Australia, Britain, Canada, Finland, Italy, Japan, Latvia, Romania, Yugoslavia, etc. It goes on sale tomorrow (2019 December 5). Dozens of replicas of the most popular American warbirds have already been built, so if you really want to be the centre of attention at the next pancake breakfast, build a replica of one of these obscure airplanes. I challenge hb.commers to build replicas of some of the more obscure light fighters sketched during the desperate days of the late 1930s. You might even get recognized as a national hero for reviving an obscure piece of national history (e.g. a Swede building a FFS J22 replica or a Canadian building a FDB-1). #### Dennis K ##### Member The ME-108 would be my choice. #### J Galt ##### Member Lifetime Supporter That ME108 would look cool and provide utility. Hard to beat that. Justin #### N804RV ##### Well-Known Member HBA Supporter The Papa51 in Controller looks interesting. But, I had in mind the new kit from this guy. His shop/hangar is in my neighborhood. And, for$675k, he'll help you build it.

https://www.thundermustang.com/

#### BJC

##### Well-Known Member
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My understanding, from talking to a Thunder Mustang builder/owner many years ago, is that the Falconer engine is o longer in production. Can anyone here confirm or correct that

BJC

#### RJW

##### Well-Known Member
The FFVS J22 is the size of a Beechcraft Bonanza or Cessna Skylane. One of the smaller WW2 fighter planes. Power was modest, a Pratt & Whitney R-1830 Twin Wasp. Chosen because a Swedish company had obtained a production licence and could manufacture them domestically. Or, as other sources say, the plane was designed around the largest available engine to get performance at the same level as contemporary Spitfires and ME 109 marks.

Less four AKAN’s the plane gets at least 100kg lighter, with a smaller engine a full size look alike may be possible to build almost as light as Bonanza. Performance should then be like much like a Bonanza flown solo.
Agree. The J22 is a beautiful airplane. I stumbled on it a few years ago when I was looking at a bunch of light fighters from WW2. A lot of these light fighters are really cool airplanes. Build a full-scale but lighter version of this airplane with a smaller motor and you'd have something very cool with fun performance.

Related, I have been dreaming for a long time about building a full-scale Me 109 in a similar way. 109s are tiny, tiny, tiny. A lighter version with an LS motor would be fun, relatively fast, and convincing. After all, early 109s flew with 600HP and fixed props. I have most of the production drawings for the 109. Maybe someday...

Rob

#### J Galt

##### Member
I did read an article where Falconer said he had shut down the shop and was working by himself in his garage/shop. I think he said he was in his 70's, sounded like he is at least half retired. There's a V12 out of Australia that is interesting: http://racecast.com.au/v12ls/
Justin

#### TFF

Falconer still show V12s on their website. Falconer probably does not want to hear you tell them its going in an airplane anymore. The engine is shown as part of the kit, so I imagine its a TM only buy if its for airplanes. Liability. Production is probably a generous term. I bet its give them $100K and they whittle you an engine. #### pictsidhe ##### Well-Known Member FFS J22 and 99 other prototypes are illustrated in Justo Miranda's new book "Enemy at the Gates: Panic Fighters." It covers a huge variety of sketches, mock-ups, prototypes, short production runs, etc. in the lead up to World War Two. Australia, Britain, Canada, Finland, Italy, Japan, Latvia, Romania, Yugoslavia, etc. It goes on sale tomorrow (2019 December 5). Dozens of replicas of the most popular American warbirds have already been built, so if you really want to be the centre of attention at the next pancake breakfast, build a replica of one of these obscure airplanes. I challenge hb.commers to build replicas of some of the more obscure light fighters sketched during the desperate days of the late 1930s. You might even get recognized as a national hero for reviving an obscure piece of national history (e.g. a Swede building a FFS J22 replica or a Canadian building a FDB-1). Russia was fond of small fighters. #### Saville ##### Well-Known Member Already know the replica I want. The Thunder Mustang with the Falconer V12. Just need about$0.75M more saved up.
Yep. If I had the cash I'd be flying a Thunder Mustang.

I've wondered about engine maintenance though.....do your sea level standard A&P have the skills for that?

#### pictsidhe

##### Well-Known Member
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Yep. If I had the cash I'd be flying a Thunder Mustang.

I've wondered about engine maintenance though.....do your sea level standard A&P have the skills for that?
As I understand it, a Falconer is a V12 version of the SBC. Should be a few people around familiar with SBCs...