Speedboat100
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I hope there will be a little more capable craft than a paramotor. I think if electric will ever be efficient it has to be very lite and compact. Good glide rate and only then can you achieve some range with it.
What do you think about "e-soaring"?
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I hope there will be a little more capable craft than a paramotor. I think if electric will ever be efficient it has to be very lite and compact. Good glide rate and only then can you achieve some range with it.
John.Roo
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I was flying with paraglider and I really enjoyed this type of flying.
It is definitely easiest (and cheapest) way how to go to the air. I got my license in 3 days (1993), but than I had to learn a lot by myself
Finally I decided that I want good landing gear instead of my onw legs.....
And I started tofly with ultralight airpanes....
Some projects of electric paramotor are interesting. For example e-Glider...
Manufacturer data (hopefully interesting):
- 24AH battery is enough for 10-15 minutes of full power, which is about 30 minutes of normal flight last 4 minutes runs only 50% of the power to reach the landing area.
- The battery is charged with a standard charger for approx. 2.5 hours and a quick charger (not included) for approx. 1.5 hours.
- Less noise, lower vibration and almost no maintenance (engine manufacturer gives a 10-year warranty).
- The battery manufacturer guarantees 800 charges, after which its capacity is reduced to 80%.
- There is a 2-year warranty on the construction of the backpack, provided that the warranty does not cover careless handling.
- Engine power 10,3 kW (about 13hp), at about 2000 rpm.
- Approved and certified in Germany, including the tricycle.
- Price of a backpack (without tricycle) including batteries is 8 500 Euros.
So 8 500 EUR + price of tricycle undercarriage + price of paraglider etc.
To have comparizon - EXOMO electric paramotor is from 9 170 EUR
The EXOMO electric paramotors catalog
In the Integral version with the battery integrated in a shell or in the Classic version with a separable battery, the EXOMO electric paramotors catalog offers adjustable versions and options for weight and flight duration.
www.exomo.com
I am not anymore active paragliding pilot so I can´t bring something new to this area of flying. But for price comparizon is interesting
John.Roo
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Small upgrade of prices....
12 870 EUR - electric paraglider
45 200 EUR - SWIFT (electric self launch)
43 000 EUR - GP11 Pulse (just glider)
82 900 EUR - GP14 Velo (electric self launch)
93 900 EUR - GP15 Jeta (electric self launch)
50 000 EUR - Birdy (KIT incl electric self launch system)
89 500 EUR - Archaeopteryx (electric version)
65 000 EUR - Silent Electro (price info from 2013)
79 000 EUR - MiniLak (with FES self launch)
? - ATOS Wing
12 870 EUR - electric paraglider
45 200 EUR - SWIFT (electric self launch)
43 000 EUR - GP11 Pulse (just glider)
82 900 EUR - GP14 Velo (electric self launch)
93 900 EUR - GP15 Jeta (electric self launch)
50 000 EUR - Birdy (KIT incl electric self launch system)
89 500 EUR - Archaeopteryx (electric version)
65 000 EUR - Silent Electro (price info from 2013)
79 000 EUR - MiniLak (with FES self launch)
? - ATOS Wing
Speedboat100
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Yes how much does an artificial horizont instrument alone cost ?
John.Roo
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Interesting video from "Greilinger Elektroflugtage 2017".
For example this type is new for me
Speedboat100
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Artificial horizon can cost 2 299 usd.
Artificial Horizons from Castleberry, Falcon Gauge, RC Allen and Trutrak
All these safety features cost alot.
Artificial Horizons from Castleberry, Falcon Gauge, RC Allen and Trutrak
All these safety features cost alot.
John.Roo
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This question has no simple answer
You can buy combined instrument like this
Horis - Aircraft Instruments by Kanardia
Horis AD-AHRS is an electronic device, which includes several state of the art sensors and combines them into a small PFD display.
www.kanardia.eu
Dynon Avionics | Flight Instruments | EFIS-D10A
Dynon Avionics best-selling EFIS-D10A is the perfect companion for your SkyView System.
www.dynonavionics.com
Or "old" vacum or electric version
Or you can buy "extra box" with sensors and see info on your iPad
iLevil Sport
The Sport combines the latest in GPS and AHRS technology to bring pilots an affordable backup solution that is both Android and iOS compatible. The battery lasts up to 8 hours when fully charged and the solar panels will increase the battery life up to 12 hours on a bright sunny day. The iLevil...
shop.levil.com
Did you find the OpenPPG project in your search? It's the cheapest out there, and a nice community to share your passion with
The folding version is pretty impressive, to be able to have it in your car at all times but from what i heard on youtube, quite noisy (think big ass rc quadcopter).
They are moving to single engine...
openppg.com
The folding version is pretty impressive, to be able to have it in your car at all times
but from what i heard on youtube, quite noisy (think big ass rc quadcopter).They are moving to single engine...
OpenPPG | Electric Powered Paragliding | Open Source Flying
The future of personal flying is here. OpenPPG is the world first open source electric powered paraglider. It features a safe, simple, and affordable design meant for beginner to expert pilots.
openppg.com
Speedboat100
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Did you find the OpenPPG project in your search? It's the cheapest out there, and a nice community to share your passion with
The folding version is pretty impressive, to be able to have it in your car at all times
They are moving to single engine...
OpenPPG | Electric Powered Paragliding | Open Source Flying
The future of personal flying is here. OpenPPG is the world first open source electric powered paraglider. It features a safe, simple, and affordable design meant for beginner to expert pilots.
They are nice, but don't seem to move.
henryk
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=yet not electric,but flying...
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John.Roo
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Small upgrade
12 870 EUR - electric paraglider
www.exomo.com
openppg.com
28 500 EUR - ZIGOLO (KIT + electric propulsion)
45 200 EUR - Aeriane Swift (electric self launch)
43 000 EUR - GP11 Pulse (just glider)
82 900 EUR - GP14 Velo (electric self launch)
93 900 EUR - GP15 Jeta (electric self launch)
www.gpgliders.com
50 000 EUR - Birdy (KIT incl electric self launch system)
e-birdy.com
89 500 EUR - Archaeopteryx (electric version)
www.ruppert-composite.ch
65 000 EUR - Silent Electro (price info from 2013)
alisportswiss.com
79 000 EUR - MiniLak (with FES self launch)
? - ATOS Wing
12 870 EUR - electric paraglider
The EXOMO electric paramotors catalog
In the Integral version with the battery integrated in a shell or in the Classic version with a separable battery, the EXOMO electric paramotors catalog offers adjustable versions and options for weight and flight duration.
www.exomo.com
OpenPPG | Electric Powered Paragliding | Open Source Flying
The future of personal flying is here. OpenPPG is the world first open source electric powered paraglider. It features a safe, simple, and affordable design meant for beginner to expert pilots.
openppg.com
28 500 EUR - ZIGOLO (KIT + electric propulsion)
45 200 EUR - Aeriane Swift (electric self launch)
43 000 EUR - GP11 Pulse (just glider)
82 900 EUR - GP14 Velo (electric self launch)
93 900 EUR - GP15 Jeta (electric self launch)
GP Gliders - the evolution of performance
50 000 EUR - Birdy (KIT incl electric self launch system)
Birdy Elektromotorsegler
Individuell Starten, Segelfliegen oder Luftwandern, und das auch noch elektrisch!
e-birdy.com
89 500 EUR - Archaeopteryx (electric version)
Ruppert-Composite - ARCHAEOPTERYX
In ihrer Werkstatt mit Ingenieurbüro konzipiert, entwickelt und fabriziert die Ruppert Composite GmbH Leichtbauprojekte und kundenspezifische Bauteile in Faserverbundbauweise.
65 000 EUR - Silent Electro (price info from 2013)
ALISPORT SWISS GLIDER AND DRONE PRODUCTOR
Playing with and above the clouds with Silent 2 Electro selflaunchable Glider Flight
79 000 EUR - MiniLak (with FES self launch)
? - ATOS Wing
henryk
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John.Roo
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And please do you know expected prices of self launch version or KIT?
John.Roo
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Electric Phoenix and Velis side by side
Speedboat100
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That is only +5.3G/-2.65G stressed ?Small upgrade
65 000 EUR - Silent Electro (price info from 2013)
ALISPORT SWISS GLIDER AND DRONE PRODUCTOR
Playing with and above the clouds with Silent 2 Electro selflaunchable Glider Flight
Similar requirement as local FAA in Finland.
henryk
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-seems cheaper,as similar ones...?
Электролёт Efly
История создания и развитие проекта электрического самолёта "Электролёт Efly".
reaa.ru
=retro E-flyer !
Speedboat100
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-seems cheaper,as similar ones...?
Электролёт Efly
История создания и развитие проекта электрического самолёта "Электролёт Efly".
=retro E-flyer !
Part 103 system ?
henryk
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=circa 12 kEUR...(composites structures, for selfmontage)
Looking at second hand market in Germany give you an idea of real prices today. Even more expensive !
45 200 EUR - Aeriane Swift (electric self launch)
=> 47 000€ for 15 years structure but electrical system new.
www.segelflug.de
65 000 EUR - Silent Electro (price info from 2013)
=> They are not for sale anymore, but until 1 month ago there was 2 Silent Electro for 100 000 € on segelflug.de
I have not yet seen any GP glider for sale...
79 000 EUR - MiniLak (with FES self launch)
=> 128 000 € (32 000€ 1/4 property) for brand new to be delivered
www.segelflug.de
=> 110 000€ for lak 17bFES. With 13,5 wing extention, it is the same as mini-lak
Not adapted for cruise with electric motor, but still interesting reference point :
Taurus G2 Electro :
This one is brand new at 132 000€
www.segelflug.de
Also Antares 20E :
170 000 € after 15 years of use!
www.segelflug.de
=> 47 000€ for 15 years structure but electrical system new.
Aeriane Swift Light E Dübendorf - WWW.Segelflug.DE Kleinanzeigen
UL - Segler Dübendorf, Built in 2006, Aeriane check up in 2014Electrics parts and new fairing installed by Icaro 2000, beginning of 2019Air-bra...
www.segelflug.de
=> They are not for sale anymore, but until 1 month ago there was 2 Silent Electro for 100 000 € on segelflug.de
I have not yet seen any GP glider for sale...
=> 128 000 € (32 000€ 1/4 property) for brand new to be delivered
MiniLAK Anteil Flugplatz Holtorfsloh - WWW.Segelflug.DE Kleinanzeigen
Haltergemeinschaften Flugplatz Holtorfsloh, Wir haben eine fabrikneue, eigenstartfähige MiniLAK im Zulauf (S/N #35, D-KOYO, Baubeginn jetzt Anfang August, Ausl...
www.segelflug.de
Not adapted for cruise with electric motor, but still interesting reference point :
Taurus G2 Electro :
This one is brand new at 132 000€
Pipistrel Taurus Electro G2 - WWW.Segelflug.DE Kleinanzeigen
Klapptriebwerkler , PRICE IS EX VAT. VAT to pe paid in the country of purchaseThe aircraft is a 2019 upgraded 40Ah model and is the most rec...
www.segelflug.de
Also Antares 20E :
170 000 € after 15 years of use!
Antares 20E Zweibrücken - WWW.Segelflug.DE Kleinanzeigen
Offene Zweibrücken, Es wird eine gebrauchte Antares 20E vom Besitzer zum Verkauf angeboten. Für weitere Informationen siehe https...
www.segelflug.de
henryk
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=69 kg glider, + electro drive...
