What could be done to reinvent the Affordaplane to a more homogeneous project?

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    Slip cannot be maneuvered with a flying wing ..can it ?
     
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    No fuselage to use as a brake, but feasible, thus makes no sense to carry out such a maneuver .
     
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    I bet Bob Hoover could have done it anyway !
     
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    Slips are used to dump altitude by decreasing the wing area seen by the airflow so yes its still relevant. And as pointed out there is still plenty of drag.
     
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    Voodoo slipping:
     
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    This discussion may be helpful for those who want to understand the differences between a slip and a skid and why the skid can be dangerous but a slip generally is not.

     
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    Who is the co-designer?
     
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    I bought mine this year , and you are right. it does say " DO NOT COVER THE FUSELAGE WITH FABRIC". It goes on to say, " this aircraft was not designed for the large side loads you would encounter in such maneuvers such as side slipping for landing".
    Someone asked him about this in the Affordaplane group on FB. He replied by saying that he did not say it "couldn't" take the side load forces, just that it wasnt designed to. I never was one hundred percent sure what he meant by that. Maybe he didnt know what the side load forces were exactly, but if that were the case then it wasnt designed for those side load forces.
    I had to read back over that last sentence myself. Oh well.
     
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    I have flown several airplanes and exceeded the demonstrated crosswind component routinely. As it was explained to us in the pilot meetings the "demonstrated performance" is not a limitation. This is not the same as "I don't know" but similar. It begs experimentation. The aerodynamic edge between the survivors and the dead will tell those that follow how much they want to push that envelope.
     
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    Why want someone add weight and complexity to a otherwise simple bird, where it’s not required, esthetics perhaps?
     
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    Can you clarify...pushing the envelope kills ?
     

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    Absolutely. I just push it across your throat.
     
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    If you fold the airplane in the air, you exceeded the flight envelope, you crash and you kill yourself...
     
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    What if the plane is foldable type..like carrier planes. Can be stored nicely...folded like the Pou du Ciel ?
     
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    Then it is cool.
     
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    Carrier based planes do not fold while in the air!!!!
     
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    I sincerely hope so.
     
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    I was responding to this statement by errki67....
    ....where he was saying that the if you go outside the flight envelope you will exceed the structural limits, the plane will fold, and you will kill yourself.
     
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    Can’t give his name here without his ok.
     
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    Erkki,
    Ref your last email: The straight back would have the same dimensions as the ptp AP except for raising the tail post to meet the upper tube. ...at least on my quick and dirty sketch.
     

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