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I use the Avid Catalina to do aerial photography. Also I can get to beautiful remote mountain lakes....very exciting. The great part is that with the space behind the two front seats you have plenty of space for any gear you might need. I love that aircraft.
There may be just two things which I found not so easy. First landing on a solid runway is touchy because of the narrow landing gear and no suspension. The cabin is not very wide...not always easy to fit full size humans. (I am lucky as I am underfed)
 

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Well, finished the boat a few weeks ago and been out with the family several days a week since.


We went camping a couple of nights last weekend,

We headed out Friday around 3. Bought burgers to go at the food truck and launched by 3.30
Headed up the lake about 45 minutes and pulled off just before the sandbar at the head of the lake and put on the old nasty prop.
Then we braved the channel up into the little lake..... made it part way before running aground and I jumped out and walked it a hundred feet or so through the shallowest part then we carefully motored up the rest of the way into the little lake. (Never did hit the prop I had it up pretty high and shut down the instant the boat hit sand) the channel is about 8-10ft wide right against the cliff, but the glaciel silt makes it impossible to differentiate from the huge sandbar it cuts through. During high water earlier in the summer its deeper but it was about 2ft average and 3-6 inches over the sandbar, barely up to my ankles.

Once in the lake it got back to 100ft deep or deeper though with cliffs straight up all around, the pictures font do it justice on just how massive and awsome it looks.

We camped at the mouth of a river/creek below a huge waterfall we hiked upto on Saturday, about an hour hike up the bear trails to get there. Pretty rough going and had to cross the creek a couple times, huge borders make it a bit scarry. Brutus doesn't know how to swim and wouldn't cross.... i had to drag/throw him across while knee deep in the middle of the rapids :p

We took landons canoe(that we also built) and every imaginable luxury. Camp chairs, blow up mattresses two tents, though landon and brutus got cold and crawled in with us the second night. And totes and totes of food and spare clothes for landon..... he goes through clothes at an impossible rate. ("OK you are dry now, these are your pj's, dont get them wet....." turn around 30 seconds later he is chest deep in the lake............)

We motored around the lake enjoying the scenery Saturday night just looking up at all of God's beauty in the cliffs and waterfalls, could even see part of a glacier up between a couple of mountain peaks.

The canoe got lots of use, we sent landon out with it to collect firewood multiple times and the creek we were at was silly, so over to a smaller creek to get drinking water as well. I went up the lake a bit with him on Saturday and we went into some of the little hollows/caves at the base of some of the cliffs, one was big enough we could turn the canoe around in, one had a crevice going back up at an angle further than we could see, landon wanted to explore it but we didn't have a flashlight with us.

All in all a great weekend for both of our bateau boats :)









































Since starting this thread I lost about 90 lbs.
Our timeline is about what I planned though probably a year behind what I hoped.

We got the money to build our heated shop in the spring.
I emailed Zenith this morning asking to buy the Scratch build plans for the CH750 Super Duty planning to do some work on it in the tent this winter even before we get the shop.
They responded they dont have scratch build plans for it yet and no timeline, even though their site lists it as an option :/

Not sure what I am going to do now... thinking on it over the next few days if anyone has thoughts I am open to suggestions.
My thought was the 750SD and then build floats for it as a secondary project after we have it flying.
 

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Hee hee. You're wants aren't competing too much. Cross country with the family literally. STOL. And amphibian.

It's like high quality, short schedule, low cost. You can pick any two. You can never have all three. You might not even be able to wrap two on your list into one.

Bonanza does the cross country. Lake does the amphib. You can buy or build the STOL, modify a Husky, Tripacer on mondo tires...

If it's about doing father son more important to find out what floats his boat than yours. Then go from there. Is he drooling over the Cub or the Bonanza?

Pops has Bearhawk jigs...
 

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Well, finished the boat a few weeks ago and been out with the family several days a week since.


We went camping a couple of nights last weekend,

We headed out Friday around 3. Bought burgers to go at the food truck and launched by 3.30
Headed up the lake about 45 minutes and pulled off just before the sandbar at the head of the lake and put on the old nasty prop.
Then we braved the channel up into the little lake..... made it part way before running aground and I jumped out and walked it a hundred feet or so through the shallowest part then we carefully motored up the rest of the way into the little lake. (Never did hit the prop I had it up pretty high and shut down the instant the boat hit sand) the channel is about 8-10ft wide right against the cliff, but the glaciel silt makes it impossible to differentiate from the huge sandbar it cuts through. During high water earlier in the summer its deeper but it was about 2ft average and 3-6 inches over the sandbar, barely up to my ankles.

Once in the lake it got back to 100ft deep or deeper though with cliffs straight up all around, the pictures font do it justice on just how massive and awsome it looks.

We camped at the mouth of a river/creek below a huge waterfall we hiked upto on Saturday, about an hour hike up the bear trails to get there. Pretty rough going and had to cross the creek a couple times, huge borders make it a bit scarry. Brutus doesn't know how to swim and wouldn't cross.... i had to drag/throw him across while knee deep in the middle of the rapids :p

We took landons canoe(that we also built) and every imaginable luxury. Camp chairs, blow up mattresses two tents, though landon and brutus got cold and crawled in with us the second night. And totes and totes of food and spare clothes for landon..... he goes through clothes at an impossible rate. ("OK you are dry now, these are your pj's, dont get them wet....." turn around 30 seconds later he is chest deep in the lake............)

We motored around the lake enjoying the scenery Saturday night just looking up at all of God's beauty in the cliffs and waterfalls, could even see part of a glacier up between a couple of mountain peaks.

The canoe got lots of use, we sent landon out with it to collect firewood multiple times and the creek we were at was silly, so over to a smaller creek to get drinking water as well. I went up the lake a bit with him on Saturday and we went into some of the little hollows/caves at the base of some of the cliffs, one was big enough we could turn the canoe around in, one had a crevice going back up at an angle further than we could see, landon wanted to explore it but we didn't have a flashlight with us.

All in all a great weekend for both of our bateau boats :)









































Since starting this thread I lost about 90 lbs.
Our timeline is about what I planned though probably a year behind what I hoped.

We got the money to build our heated shop in the spring.
I emailed Zenith this morning asking to buy the Scratch build plans for the CH750 Super Duty planning to do some work on it in the tent this winter even before we get the shop.
They responded they dont have scratch build plans for it yet and no timeline, even though their site lists it as an option :/

Not sure what I am going to do now... thinking on it over the next few days if anyone has thoughts I am open to suggestions.
My thought was the 750SD and then build floats for it as a secondary project after we have it flying.
Wow is the only thing I can think of saying! Absolutely beautiful!
 

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If the Zenith SuperDuty is on your shortlist, be sure to follow Mark Pensenstadler on YouTube. He is in the midst of planning ahead on his SD build in terms of mods, engine choice and avionics. His videos on a now completed and flying Zenith Cruzer are informative and well done. Here: Kitplane Enthusiast
 

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What about letting your son choose!

That way he is more invested in the outcome.

You could give him a range to choose from or let him make his own choice and compare that to the one he likes in your range and go over the features/benefits of making the final choice together...

Just a thought!

My Dad took me to Soccer and Cricket, it did not last for me.....

I appreciated it later that he gave me those and many other options in my early life.....

But I had my own in mind at all times!
 

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Sold the Bearhawk jigs.
Pops - make more Jigs! We NEED a set at 1C5 - probably two builds here but we are too cheap to buy the quick build kit!!! Lets face it, you need a new project for the Winter!! Flywheel drive VW can wait until 2022 :)
 

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Narfi - LOVE this post and huge congrats on the weight loss. I'm 54 pounds down and you have basically doubled that, amazed at your fortitude and proud of the your achievement - what a story to share.

Did you ask Roger down at Zenith if you can start with the wings or tail feathers? I'm really getting close on my 750 Cruzer (it is painted and am reassembling now) and know them somewhat well down there. Let me know if you'd like me to ring them for you and ask.
 

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Narfi - LOVE this post and huge congrats on the weight loss. I'm 54 pounds down and you have basically doubled that, amazed at your fortitude and proud of the your achievement - what a story to share.

Did you ask Roger down at Zenith if you can start with the wings or tail feathers? I'm really getting close on my 750 Cruzer (it is painted and am reassembling now) and know them somewhat well down there. Let me know if you'd like me to ring them for you and ask.
Thanks and congratulations on your weight loss as well. Takes commitment and dedication to discipline ourselves to a new lifestyle and health choices.

In response to everyone asking what Landon wants...... he wants a plane, he loves all of them, he wants to be able to go on floats, he doesn't want to work with chemicals, he does like playing with aluminum at my work.

So no composite, no wood, no fabric covered options.
We are committed to the hobby style budget of scratch building over a 3yr period. A section at a time kit might work if it wasn't for shipping issues to where we live. Its better to ship here everything at once or just raw materials.

Can the CH801 be scratch built?
I am leaning towards the CH750 if the SD isn't an option, however the additional useful load of the SD would make the 150 mile grocery run a little more practical.

Wayne, if you are on good terms with them at Zenith, I would not be opposed to you asking what my options are. The lady answering the sales email address seemed more interested in what they didn't sell than what was possible for me. (I didnt ask)

If you do talk to them, it would be worth mentioning their website clearly offers scratch build plans for the SD. I suspect whoever did the website just copy pasted from the standard page not realizing..... but for someone researching and getting ready to buy, that was super frustrating for me.
 
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narfi

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Hee hee. You're wants aren't competing too much. Cross country with the family literally. STOL. And amphibian.

It's like high quality, short schedule, low cost. You can pick any two. You can never have all three. You might not even be able to wrap two on your list into one.

Bonanza does the cross country. Lake does the amphib. You can buy or build the STOL, modify a Husky, Tripacer on mondo tires...

If it's about doing father son more important to find out what floats his boat than yours. Then go from there. Is he drooling over the Cub or the Bonanza?

Pops has Bearhawk jigs...
Well.... its down to STOL with ability to go on floats now I think.....
Wife has other dreams that I am well ok with.....
After we build this plane(whatever it is) she has the next build picked out that we will do our 'cross country' in.......

 

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If you do talk to them, it would be worth mentioning their website clearly offers scratch build plans for the SD. I suspect whoever did the website just copy pasted from the standard page not realizing..... but for someone researching and getting ready to buy, that was super frustrating for me.
More than happy to help Narfi! I'll see if I can talk to Roger over the next day or so and will send private message when I have an update.
 

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More than happy to help Narfi! I'll see if I can talk to Roger over the next day or so and will send private message when I have an update.
Awesome, thank you!

I also sent this message to them via their tech support form on their website,

Hello,
I would like to build the 750SD scratch from plans, but when I emailed sales they told me that was not an option.
I requested advice on your forum and got this answer,

"
Get Stock CH750 STOL plans

Beef up the spar caps and add a couple feet of length.

801 rudder and Horizontal tail (evidently available on the open market)

Loose the radiuses on the bottom of the fire wall.

Modify the panning where the back seat goes.

1 inch thick instead of 3/4 inch thick main gear spring.

License experimental.

I would like to go down this path with your approval and buy the plans from you if you think it sounds reasonable.

The 3rd seat isn't a deal breaker for me, but I would like the ability to use a larger engine for more useful load and floats.
 

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So I overcame my dislike of the phone and called Roger @ Zenith this morning.
He said they dont have the scratch built plans for the SD ready but will be this winter sometime.
I can buy the plans and he will tell me which parts I can start building that are the same as on the 750STOL and once the SD plans are ready I can build those as well. Sounds like it will work well and he was super nice about it all.
 
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