Suzuki G engines G10,13b,13bb,16b modification.

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    Can an airplane with these engines be insured?
     
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    Anything can be insured.
     
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    No, not really. You might want to check it out first.
     
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    No really. Its all a matter spending enough to get someone to accept the risk.
     
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    The point is l have no idea how much high rpm I can run those kind of engines at without breaking it .I decided on 3500 rpm just to avoid any engine modifications.?
    Are u telling me that continous 5500 rpm is ok for that engine(with or without enternal modification)?
    I was not aware of altitude effect on my HP rating .I will have to go back to the drawing board with engine option and also with the safe and fine rpm without any modifications.
    Your help apreciated
    Iam thinking of single seater with gross weight 600-650 lb.
     
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    Hi guys, I was looking at a site last week that listed the various Suzie engines and some others such as Subaru, vw and Diahatsu that are suitable for implanting. Listed with each angina was it's configuration and performance. My problem is, l can't relocate the site. Can any of you point me in the right direction. I am considering using the G13b with the factory fitted turbo but can't locate performance specs for it.
     
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    To my knowledge there was no such animal as a factory turbo G13 and is probably why you can't find the specs.

    As an update for aboazeaz, I would now be looking at 1ZZ Toyota at the same weight as a G16 but at 1800cc rather than 1600.

    Also they have a factory 'bolt on' supercharger option.
     
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    Early Suzuki Sprints in the US had turbos on the 16 valve 1.3L.
     
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    No, they didn't. I had a Mate who wanted to run a Swift (Cultus) in standard car class rallying and we went through every Suzuki engine available around the world for that body shape settling on G16B for the torque as we couldn't use close ratio gearbox but almost went with a G10 Turbo out of a Sprint.
     
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    I've driven one and seen several others. All 100% stock from the factory. Every one I've seen was white. Don't know if they came in any other color.

    Suzuki Cultus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    It's a cult car here and parts are HARD to find.
     
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    Again; That is the 1000cc, 3 cylinder, G10T Turbo, not a 1300cc, 4 cylinder G13 series.
     
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    Nope. 4 plugs 16 valves.
     
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    Why I'm bothering is that there's people out there reading this who might actually now waste their time chasing this mythical engine because it's actually an ideal fit based on the OP's parameters.

    So totally on topic, I ask you to factually prove your position please.
     
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    Just because you haven't been able to find one doesn't make it mythical. They are rare enough to make them impractical for anything. I could have had a low mile one from a wreck for a reasonable price and seriously considered putting it in my Swift a few years ago. Lucky for me I didn't because I later found out just how rare they are and how hard it is to get parts.

    They do exist - just like gorillas and coelacanths.
     
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    Umm, yeah it does actually and supported by you not being able to produce any evidence of them existing at all.

    You see if I type "Suzuki G10T" into Google images, this is what you get because it exists and that's the actual model code for that engine ...

    IMG_2441.jpg

    Now try typing "Suzuki G13...." oops, hang on what was the Suzuki model code designation for the G13 Turbo?

    All manufacturers have an engine code, Rotax have a 912, Conti have a 0-200 etc, so what's the code for this mythical G13 Turbo .... That's right, you can't find it because doesn't exist.

    Suzuki G engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Suzuki Cultus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    That's it for me, the onus on proving that something that doesn't exist, doesn't exist, isn't on me, it's on you to prove it does.
     
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    Very true, and a nearly impossible task I would not ask you to attempt. I don't have the time or inclination to prove that they did exist. There is little point to it.
     
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    Hi guys :
    I have no idea if the engine price tag should be included in the selecting process

    Here are the numbers
    Suzuki are most expensive, including their spare parts.
    Toyota 1-zz will cost about 1165 US dollars
    1.3 or 1.5 NZ will cost about 600 dollars
    What is strange is European engines are cheaper for example 320 cc , V6 Mercedes will cost only about 900 dollars including ECU, it weighs about 330 lb but it has more specific power compared to inline ones.
    I think I will go for 1.5 or 1.3 NZ Toyota or Mercedes inline -4 or V6.
    What would you select ?
    thanks in advance.
     
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    Based on your desire to go direct drive, the 1.8 1ZZ. No reduction gear will make the difference in price up easily.

    If reduction, then the 1.5 NZ.

    Probably end up the same weight and hp either way but I'm guessing the 1.8 will be a bit quieter.
     
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    People might confuse the SJ410 4 cylinder 1000ccm engine for the G10 3 cylinder 1000ccm one, it has happened before. The SJ410 was installed in the Suzuki Samurai in Europe in the 80s and was later followed by the SJ413. SJ410 parts are hard to find cause there were not many of these and the engine rarely broke down. The small Suzuki jeep was a great car, small, efficient, the engine had quite alot of power compared to it's consumption. Aparently there was another similar engine with G serials, also a 4 cylinder 1000ccm based on the SJ410 for a specific market. Can't remember more, but those engines were really economical.

    Maybe these pictures help to see if this is the SJ 410 engine people seem to be talking about:

    Suzuki Samurai Sj410 motor i dijelovi motora , 1985 god.

    Funny thing is, the 1300ccm engine consumed less fuel than the 1000ccm, if I remember well. The 1000ccm had two valves instead of four, and reduced power which meant drivers were constantly pushing the pedal to the metal just to get some 'life' into the engine. Yet when the Suzuki Swift became available everyone had to have that car, it had an engine which made it fly like a bullet. :)
     
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    -auer G10 with self-made turbo=

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