Stewart Systems

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    Andy, thank you.
    Also, whoever it was I talked with at the booth was great. Really professional and really knew the product well.
     
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    Blue River is not in any way related to Stewart Systems other than they pioneered the idea of a water based/waterborne aircraft covering system. They were never STC'd. There are actually still some Blue River covering jobs flying. I spoke to a guy this week who has a Christen Eagle covered with Blue River, but painted with a different topcoat. He is still flying it after 25 years and almost 2000 hours of hard aerobatics! I know of several aircraft covered with AFS in 90's that are still flying and looking great. No cracks. I have a piece of fabric that we bring to all the shows that was competed in 1998. You can wad it up in a ball all you want an it won't crack. Most aircraft covered with Stewart Systems are after 2006 when Doug and Dan Stewart purchased the system and completed the STC. You should have not problem finding a aircraft at least 10 years old in your area with our system. I have a piece of fabric here from an aircraft covered in 2007 that was removed from a wing tip after a ground loop. I can send you a sample of it if you would like to see it. Just email me. I can tell you that very seldom have I ever met a anyone who has covered an airplane with Stewart Systems and gone back to anything else. I was very excited to have the opportunity to acquire Stewart System because I recognized from using it that it is the future of aircraft covering. No question about it. We used to use the solvent systems too, until we discovered Stewart Systems. To be perfectly honest, even if the solvent systems were better, I would not use them. It's not worth dying for. But the fact is, Stewart Systems holds up BETTER than anything else out there. And it's less expensive. What more could you ask from a covering system?
     
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    Thanks lots! We are looking forward to working with you! If you have any questions, this is my cell phone number in the signature. We take tech support very seriously!

    Andy
     
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    Were they kept outside?
     
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    Blue River evolved into Ceconite 7600, didn't it? My Fisher was covered with 7600. After 25 years the fabric was in good shape though the enamel topcoat was getting ringworm cracks. A couple of seams were coming loose, but I just glued them back together with Fastbond and had no further trouble.

    One interesting thing about Stewart is that it can be used for repairs over other systems.

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    Why the charcoal filter instead of just a particulate filter if the chemistry is non-toxic?
     
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    Because it's better. In. Those cheap filters hardly work for even dust.
     
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    I did both fabric classes at Airventure with my lovely girlfriend (to get her sign off on each). I felt Stewarts was a little tougher for me to work, but it may have been the layout of the classes. I like the way both turned out, but our PolyFiber one was a little better (and we did that class first). Kelli liked the near odorless part of stewarts and the less PPE required. I most likely will go with Stewarts for my small project.
     
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    Cost is significantly less if using the non-certified Dacron. Did you finish the stewarts, or only glue and shrink.....you still have to paint/finish it right?

    PPE?
     
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    I've certainly got Stewart on the list for my project. I really like the video series that have on the subject. Very informative, both for painting fabric and hard (metal, composite) surfaces.
     
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    I've seen the Stewart process, but I will always be a fan of the Polyfiber process, not only because Ray Stits (the developer) was a close friend, but also because the Stits/Polyfiber process has never failed to satisfy. They (Polyfiber) also have a details application guide and they are always more than willing to offer advice.

    Likely the only time I will cover with anything other than Polyfiber is to try out a small scale project with Oratex, since it is such a drastically different system.
     
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    The big advantage of Polyfiber (IMO) is that it is reliable, particularly if you use poly-tone. Basically, you're spraying something that behaves a little bit like lacquer, which I've always found easy to shoot. The downsides are the MEK and a whole buncha coats of various materials...
     
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    I have used the Stewart System to prime and paint the cowling and the wheel pants for the storebought and the landing gear legs for the homebuilt. The storebought parts have held up for four years in use. It goes on nicely and lays down flat over the next couple hours, cures hard, and stays nice looking. White has stayed white, blue stays a nice blue. I think it will be my airplane too.

    Billski
     
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    When I covered the Taylorcraft wings the smell of those polyfiber chemicals was absolutely ludicrous. Never again.
     
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    You're supposed to open the windows. ;)
     
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    Another thing I like about the Stits Polyfiber is that you can rejuvenate aged (Polytone) paint with a cloth and some MEK.

    Can the Stewart paint be rejuvenated?
     
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    Poly-Fiber is fool proof. Just follow the manual and you are an expert. Tried and proven . Yes, the MEK is not nice. I try to do as much covering in the warmer months as possible and open all the hanger doors and used large fans and stay up wind while gluing and tapeing. In painting I have a paint booth and a HVLP Turbine compressor that will supply 2 spray guns and 2 fresh air hoods. My daughter helps me. We never get any smell while spraying.

    One of my neighbors painted his Tri-Pacer with Stewarts. Had all kinds of problems and was about to give up until he got the spray gun that Stewart recommended. Another friend of mine painted his Murphy Rebel. He said he went by all the instructions and it looked good but after about 4 years the paint started peeling off in very large sheets. He took it to an Aircraft Paint shop for repainting. $$$$$
     
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    Y’all are kind of confusing me… I went to the Polyfiber (EAA) workshop and that seemed straightforward (count me among those who don’t mind solvents that smell like solvents…) and I did a small test panel with Oratex previously -- I have to say that was about as easy as it gets – glue it down, shrink it, yer done… if course there is the price, but I think the Stewarts have the most informative DVD series by far, so had really thought about them and got enough to sample… The one thing that sort of sticks in the back of my mind is the proven durability question – it apparently isn’t too hard to find “Polyfiber-and-direct-ancestors” that have sat out in the weather for a couple of decades…

    Yep I know -- that's all questions and no answers...
     
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    I can't answer for the one guy with peeling issues. I know that a lot of Tailwind guys are using Stewart's, in fact very few are using polyfiber for the simple reason it doesn't look as wet.

    Anyhow. Stewarts is well proven with the show winning crowd because it has such a nice finish.

    For me, I don't like shiny but I hate the polyfiber look and the solvents. I'll be using a flatner in the paint.
     
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    If paint is peeling off it sounds like prep not paint.
     

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