She was the Captain.I've wondered about that incident ever since the reports came out. The media may have it right but in my experience likely not. Usually when there's an emergency of the magnitude of this one the Captain takes the plane if he/she wasn't already flying it and directs the FO to run the checklists and radio. First order of business would have been to call for the checklist the Captain wanted while the captain starts the Emergency Descent which the pax/media describe as "the fall". I highly suspect the Captain had the controls from the time the engine blew til he/she shut it down. So the heroic action that the media is blathering so about was her very professional job of talking on the radio (and complying with the Captain's instructions). Most any FO I ever flew with would have been just as calm and professional as she was...the hysterical types got weeded out way back down the line; they rarely make the cut. I can envision the FO being somewhat embarrassed about all the hype(if she actually was the PNF and not the PF) and the Captain just keeping his mouth shut.
Does anybody know for sure if Tammie Jo was the Captain or the FO?
Sad that they killed one passenger and injured others to fan pieces. I believe that is the second one of those failures (737 and that CFM engine) recently and while it is supposed to be contained, the shrouds were largely gone in both cases. Sounds like some toughening of some pieces is in order... Billski[/QUOTE] We were just talking about the engineering that goes into containment on this and other engines with someone that was on the team of engineers that actually have to figure all this out. This is not supposed to happen, ever, for any reason. Sad that this weird failure took a life. The woman was a Vermont native up through college before moving west. Many around here are a bit stunned. Terrible circumstances all around but it seems like there was a bunch of good stuff that happened at the same time. Happened to be an RN and a bunch of crew and passengers that contained the situation and gave life support. The captain definitely did a great job. When you sit in a window seat comfy and climate controlled you don't think of the life threatening environment inches from you. 500+MPH and brutal cold not to mention the lack of oxygen content. This kinda puts that in perspective. I'll be watching to see what the FAA does about this. I think GE and Pratt are going to have some verification work to do on the containment math and testing. This is a well regulated particular piece of procedural engineering. It was supposed to be fail safe.
She chose to land with Flaps 5 because she didn't know for sure what damage the wing LE devices had sustained. Better to land fast than get into a uncontrollable airplane situation.I noticed that she landed fast. I don't know if that is in the training, but several aircraft have been lost after being taken below their higher than normal stall speed due to damage that the captain was unaware of.
I would put her at least into category c....maybe a little d, too.plural heroes
1 a : a mythological or legendary figure often of divine descent endowed with great strength or ability
b : an illustrious warrior
c : a person admired for achievements and noble qualities
d : one who shows great courage
She doesn't really fit the 'hero' bill for me. I'm not knocking her performance though, it seems that she did everything right. But it was stuff she's trained for.
Absent a specific procedure to fit the scenario that would be a command decision after analyzing all available information but yez, flaps up landings are validated in training.Yes, but is that 'normal' procedure now?
Yes though rarely together. In most modern multi engine jets an inflight engine failure isn't even an emergency, it's an abnormal procedure.http://time.com/5246539/southwest-airlines-tammie-jo-shults-pilot-statement/ quotes the official statement with TJS as captain. So, yeah, we all would expect she would fly the entire remainder of the flight.
One engine out and depressurization - they run that scenario in the sims a bunch don't they? While it would make for a tricky day, I would expect a good outcome...
The FAA frequently accommodates such requests in the airlines favor.Wonder why investigators jumped right in looking for metal fatigue?
Because that was the reason for the 2016 fan blade separation. After that incident, CFM and the FAA proposed an AD that called for inspection of all 24 rotating disc in the engine. Some airlines, putting cost before safety as they sometimes do, objected to the AD asking for more lenient compliance schedule and to limit the AD inspection to only a few of the rotating disc, not all 24.
can you give us a link to those details radfordc?She chose to land with Flaps 5 because she didn't know for sure what damage the wing LE devices had sustained. Better to land fast than get into a uncontrollable airplane situation.