# Sidestick control vs control yoke vs panel-mounted control wheel

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#### cluttonfred

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That made me chuckle, Pops. The first time I flew a plane I was also surprised that the rudder pedals seemed backwards since I expected them to work like a sled. It only makes sense when you imagine a rudder bar in front of the pilot and cables running back to the rudder. You're not pointing the nose of the plane where you want it go to, you're pointing the nose of the rudder, which has the opposite effect.

#### speedracer

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FAR 23.779:

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This applies to aircraft built under FAR 23. Since most of us learned to fly in FAR 23 airplanes, building something that doesn't fit this pattern is asking for an accident. Primacy, again: The things first learned are the most unshakeable.

A friend and I had a go-kart many years ago. Insane fun. The steering was the usual thing, with a control wheel (yoke) on a shaft that had a bellcrank at the business end that worked a shaft that went to one of the wheels, and a tie rod between the wheels. We found that we could turn that control yoke 180 degrees, putting the bellcrank down instead of up. and have the thing steer opposite to normal. We tried driving it like that. Nope. No matter how hard we tried, Primacy made it impossible. Nearly killed ourselves.
When a couple of my friends were 15 year old kids they put a flathead V8 in a model A. There was a problem fitting it in having to do with the pitman arm, I think. Instead of doing it right they ended up with reverse steering. They had a little dirt race track and with some practice they got competent at driving it that way. One of their dads and a friend were drinking beer and watching them drive around the race track. The friend says "Hey let me drive that". They explained about the reverse steering and off he went. He didn't even make it half way around the track and hit a tree.

#### Pops

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That made me chuckle, Pops. The first time I flew a plane I was also surprised that the rudder pedals seemed backwards since I expected them to work like a sled. It only makes sense when you imagine a rudder bar in front of the pilot and cables running back to the rudder. You're not pointing the nose of the plane where you want it go to, you're pointing the nose of the rudder, which has the opposite effect.
Makes sense to me too. Then when I first flew a VW powered airplane, for the first 10 or so takeoffs, I keep saying "Left rudder, left rudder", being so used to using right rudder without thinking about it.

It's crazy world out there, I tell you.

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#### Slars

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Now try it in a British manual-shift car driving in the UK.

YOU are sitting in the right-hand seat, driving on the left-hand side of the road, clutching with your left foot as normal, shifting with the left hand while the shift pattern is the same as here in the States: 1st is up and left, or, AWAY from you.

THAT took some mental gymnastics to get used to!

Conventional controls are "conventional" for a reason - they're generally the best compromise that's been found. Engineers and cockpit stylists changing things for the sake of novelty or their own notion of a "better idea" should be flogged, and that applies to both cars and airplanes.

Oh, and get off my lawn!
This and throw in a roundabout late at night after a long flight.

#### Pops

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When a couple of my friends were 15 year old kids they put a flathead V8 in a model A. There was a problem fitting it in having to do with the pitman arm, I think. Instead of doing it right they ended up with reverse steering. They had a little dirt race track and with some practice they got competent at driving it that way. One of their dads and a friend were drinking beer and watching them drive around the race track. The friend says "Hey let me drive that". They explained about the reverse steering and off he went. He didn't even make it half way around the track and hit a tree.
When I was young I taught myself to ride a bicycle seating backwards on the seat . I still can do it.