Shrinking down a two seater

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  1. Apr 13, 2019 #81

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    Legend and hoo ha to me. I just went back to the plans for the Buttercup. The fuselage is pulled in a little in profile but not in plan view and none of the shapes are really strong. To me it looks way more like Steve intended the fuselage to interfere as little as possible with the wing. Carry over the profile view shape of the fuselage and make the plan view shape "feel" like the original, and I would bet it makes a great airplane that Steve would smile at...
     
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  2. Apr 13, 2019 #82

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    One of my many UFO's (Un-Finished Objects) was a single seat, all wood, Tailwind'ish. 30" wide so the Tailwind style cowling would fit over a VW.

    IMG_2974.jpg ...the thing hanging from the ceiling was as about far as I got before I realized I wouldn't fit comfortably (my butt was lower than my feet). I'll try it again someday but with better leg room.
     
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  3. Apr 13, 2019 #83

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    That's pretty cool Fritz!
     
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    I believe there is pictures of the single Tailwinds on the Yahoo group if it still exists. I think one was turned into a biplane. Build tailwind fuselage with buttercup style wings at Tailwind span. That would make about a 7/8s buttercup. Steel fuselages and wood wings are pretty adaptable. What is a Cub or like? A parasol where the fuselage cabane struts are not in front view and weather protection added. The basic fuselages are so much the same, you should be able to start whittling what you want out. So any old jigs from projects around? What about adding 2 ft to a Cassutt fuselage At back and about 10” to front and long a Cassutt like wing on parasol cabane struts?
     
  5. Apr 13, 2019 #85

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    In my head at least, I like the looks of a Tailwind and the numbers of a Buttercup. I really like the Tailwind struts, buttercup no so much.

    Gonna keep making this Smith wing while I think this through.

    I thought of a single seat ch701 but my heart just isn't in to aluminum. I think it would be very possible however.

    So definitely tube and fabric. Wittman-ish, which means enclosed cabin. Sport Pilot numbers. Less than 36" wide. Parasol.

    So far that's what i've come up with that speaks to me.
     
  6. Apr 14, 2019 #86

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    I know it's a ridiculous idea but what I always felt would look just cool as heck is a parasol Pitts or a parasol Sonerai.

    Open cockpit monoplane parasol Pitts would look cool if only because the fuselage shape is about as sexy as it gets.

    Ok, back to earth.

    ImI home looking at the Tailwind and Buttercup prints. That would be pretty effortless to narrow it up.
     
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    I always wanted a AcroSport II turned into a parasol. If i build a acey or baking it will have AS2 tail and turtle deck. Sweeping the top wing like a Skybolt and it would be perfect.
     
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    Patrol, 32" wide cockpit. BEARHAWK PATROL.PNG
     
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    I'm actually gonna study that design online tonight. ImI supposed to be watching a movie but it's kinda boring.
     
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    Converting a 701 fuselage to tube (4130 or aluminum) looks like it would be dirt simple. And it would be easier to put a tailwheel on it ....like it should have had from the start.
     
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    701-8.jpg 701td.jpg fpgjv1.jpg 701td.jpg
    I do like it, but think the rear of the fuse needs to be a bit lower. Looks fugly sitting on the ground. Okay, the orange and white one looks pretty good. The green one looks broken...lol.

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    I do the same thing, Scrap. Always want something 'a little different'.
    I like the Texas Parasol construction method, and it can be easily adapted in various shapes and configurations.
    Biplane (from SE5 to Pitts to Filtzer)
    parasol
    Cabin
    2 seat cabin
    cabin biplane
    2 seat parasol (Pietenpol-esque)
    2 seat low wing strut braced - like a low wing Piet/Fly Baby with struts - this one has my fancy right now - with folding wings.

    sorry for further thread derailment

    HPIM4297.jpg piet_c-gixc_low-wing_casey_irwin_sport_aviation_1982-02_01_177.jpg fbabside.gif P-BIPE-ConvertImage.jpg



     
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    It's a fun light hearted thread so post anything you want. It's all good.

    I like unusual stuff.
     
  14. Apr 14, 2019 #94

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    Hey, Rim Kaminskas did that to his scaled down Bucker, and transformed the Jungster I biplane into the Jungster II parasol. So while it may still be somewhat ridiculous, there is precedent!
     
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    There was a post on the Jungster plans being available just recently. All wood, but a 4130 fuselage whipped up would not be that hard.
     
  16. Apr 15, 2019 at 1:12 AM #96

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    LittleScrapper....I didn't read through the entire thread so if this plane has been mentioned my apologies.
    I built and flew one of these years ago and have regretted selling it every day...it flew like a homesick Angel.
    What you need is a ....ZIPPY SPORT
    Think I may still have the plans somewhere......

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    Kevin
     
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  17. Apr 15, 2019 at 2:31 AM #97

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    I'm sure it's a nice airplane, I just don't care for the looks of it. Appreciate the suggestion though.
     
  18. Apr 15, 2019 at 6:30 AM #98

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    I am working on a shrunken Taylor Coot. Single seat, low wing. Without the heavy seaplane hull at first, could be added later
     
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    This one is a looker. I think.
    RED DEVIL AIRPLANE.PNG BRISTOL M.1C.PNG BRISTOL M.1C SPEC..PNG
     

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