Shrinking down a two seater

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  1. Feb 19, 2019 #1

    Little Scrapper

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    I'm curious about something and just looking for thoughts or opinions.

    The absolute widest airplane I can fit in my shop is 34". For years I've always admired Wittman Tailwinds, Buttercups, and the Wag Aero Vagabond replica as I've mentioned here numerous times on the forum. All three are too wide to build in my shop and there's no way I'm cutting a hole in my shop.

    What are your thoughts on narrowing down a two seater and making it a single seat?

    I don't think any of the 3 would scale well but they could be narrowed is what I'm thinking?

    Or is this just not something that would make sense mechanically? The financial side is irrelevant to me, safety would be my concern.

    A single seat Buttercup might be kinda fun. Has anyone heard of anyone doing something like this?
     
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    Wait... What happened to your Cassutt? That fits, doesn't it?
     
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    Gone. Canada. I'm surprised you didn't read any of this. Anyhow, it's all gone.
     
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    I've had some family stuff going on since mid-December. I missed it. I'm sorry to hear that. I'll have to go back and look that up.
     
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    Hopefully things are well with you. Yeah, it may have been a mistake but I sold everything except the fuselage. It was a great learning experience......once again but here I am so it is what it is I guess.
     
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    Doable, yes. 7" short of a normal cabin, ****. think there has been at least two tailwinds made as singles; I think one was turned into a Tailwind biplane. While Pop's plane is not a Tailwind, it is TW like with some alternate wing construction. Its up to you; I have many planes I would want to build without having to change every detail to really make work. Just don't make it a welding project.
     
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    Well, I've had a lot fun so far.

    A single seat Buttercup might be kinda fun. Eliminate the leading edges, lighter weight, I don't know. Can't be that difficult to take 7" out of the center?
     
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    Something with tandem seating needn't be that wide. You know you're gonna want to take your boys flying eventually...
     
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    Hatz is about the only tandem I like.
     
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    Scrapper, I think you and I might have a similar problem. I’m fairly convinced the very best airplane for me is probably a clipped wing Cub with a C85 or an O-200. It ticks a lot of boxes, maybe even all of them for me and I adore them but there’s just something about a Cub that’s... I don’t know... not special enough, I guess. Does that make sense? I think I’m my problem, I just need to come to grips with exactly why it’s a problem.

    How about a Flut-R-Bug? Those seem like they’d be right up your alley.
     
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    I love a Cub, absolutely love it. I learned to fly and soled in a Cub.

    My shop area for the airplane in my Plumbing shop is limited by 20'7" long possibly 21'3" if I'm creative. No exceptions. My shop is my business so I'm not willing to disrupt my business for a airplane at this point.

    Width out the door could be as wide as 36-1/8" to remove not from the shop.

    Those arey limiting factors. As much as I love a Cub I did the math 7 ways from Sunday and it's just not doable without serious demo and rebuilding the shop.

    Basically, two seaters side by side is not going to happen and a Cub is too long.
     
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    Scrapper here is a thought. Scale you a HW75 Stinson into a single seat or better yet if you still have that Cassutt laying around role back onto it. There is so many ones out there to go with and believe me they all will eat up time and some green. Have you looked into a Sorrell sns-7 Hiperbipe With a tube and fabric fus. and wood wings it may be up your alley. SNS7.jpg
     
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    A j-3 is only 22'-5" according to Wikipedia. You won't need all of that until/unless you put the rudder and engine and mount on all at the same time. It might be tight, but it sounds possible maybe up until fitting a cowling.
     
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    It's possible. Get everything done as far as I can and then assembly would take place in a hanger.
     
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    Too wide
     
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    n3 pup. How about cross between tailwind and j3 cub. with a Suzuki g13 conversion.
     
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    Single seat Cygnet might perform well.
     
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    Just how wide/narrow is your build space and how much of that is required for access?
     
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    IIRC, the Bearhawk Patrol is a four-seat airplane narrowed down to a tandem two-seater.

    Ron Wanttaja
     
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