Russian NUCLEAR powered cruise missile blows up. Kills 5 scientists and spreads radiation

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  1. Aug 17, 2019 #61

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    After a previous unsuccessful test there was some news about a spike in radioactivity. At the time there was some speculation about the source as the isotope found did not match previous tests or accidents.

    As for the reindeer being radioactive, yes there have been some fallout here from different Soviet nuclear test and accidents. Also leaks at the British Sellafield plant have been traced. I have not checked, but the Chernobyl accident probably was the one raining most radioactivity down on Norway.
     
  2. Aug 17, 2019 #62

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    I'm with Litespeed on this one. Keeping nuclear weapons flying constantly in the air, ready to strike at a moments notice, or in a non-stop patty-rolling submarine off the coast of major cities... is so unbelievably paranoid looney bin nutso insane... I won't get into it further how absolutely insane with a screw loose these people are that want to or do do this are (pointing fingers at all of them on all supposed sides). They play Russian Roulette with your life, the future of humanity, and think nothing of it.

    it would be like your neighbor across the street, keeping a sniper rifle trued in sitting a top his desk on sandbags, pointed out a break in his curtain window at where your head is when you sit down at your computer to write a post on HBA. And all he does throughout the day is peak through his scope at you moving around your house going about your business, sipping coffee and smoking cigarettes, and incessantly ranting and postulating when you are going to try to kill *him*. He's been watching you a long time now. He doesn't trust you. You're an oddball, you're different from him. Those little packages you've been ordering of ebay from China, yeah, you're up to something diabolical. Did I mention, he rifles through your mail too... yeah. Clinically insane. Take a chill pill, share a drink, get out of your country once in your life time and take a vacation abroad, play some soccer with some folks, learn to at least tolerate if not get along with others that are of a different culture or bent than you.

    The only sane viable use I see for nuclear powered engines would be for space travel of unmanned exploratory drones... and then, firing them up when the spacecraft is well out of our atmosphere. In that scenario, you want an engine that can run a long, long, long time, and collateral damage from catastrophic failure of it, would be something more of a mute point. That being all said, ramjet engines wouldn't work in space.
     
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  3. Aug 18, 2019 #63

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    You may have stumbled on the reasons for Russia doing such insane testing and development.
    Russia is very skilled in the dark arts of propaganda and manipulating the public and politicians in the east and west.

    If we look at history- it was programs like this that lead to MAD and the race to have as many planet killers as possible. This bankrupted the USSR.

    Compared to the costs of the USA developing a nuke powered missile- it would be a small amount in Russia. At least to get to the stage of testing a rough and ready device.
    The "accident" may be a accident as Russia and personal safety are not usually in the same sentence. But a happy coincidence for them.

    But think of the result of this program- Now the USA is most likely to rush to developing a similar device and also numerous ways to try and defeat it. That is where the Russians have learnt from history.

    Scare your opponent into massive multiple programs that are incredibly expensive and not likely to provide a practical, safe and affordable system of offense and defense. Now all Russia has to do is make the right noises and propaganda videos and they get the result they want.

    Even if they spent $ 1 billion on this, the returns golden. The USA could spend $100's billions and end with little to show but a big debt.

    Strategically its genius.
     
  4. Aug 18, 2019 #64

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    Not when expressed as % of GDP for both parties.

    There's no way this program makes sense. The thing would be easy to find and easy to kill without anything like a
    an analogous missile. And, to the degree MAD still exists, this thing wouldn't affect the US in any way whatsoever. The US is vulnerable to Soviet ballistic missiles now, and they are vulnerable to ours now. This dumb PR weapon doesn't change the strategic equation unless SSBNs become vulnerable to attack--and this weapon doesn't affect that.

    I think, by the press accounts to date, it's not the US that has been scared into excessive and ill-advised expenditures and programs.
     
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    The GDP/GNP is irrelevant if you spend $1 to get your opponent to waste $100's.

    Sense and what is a good idea are rarely involved in politics or defense spending. History is chock full of examples on both sides where need and realistic assessment of the situation is very far from the knee jerk response.
     
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    Analog magazine, decades ago, had a space war story where the Enemy used "Destroyer" ships & we used " Frigate" ships & the kill ratios in combat had us convinced we were winning & couldn't understand why the Enemy wouldn't stop & negotiate a peace. Until a game theory guy figured out that we were counting # of casualties, & they were counting tonnage destroyed. Both sides were convinced they were winning.

    this was during the Cold War and intended as a warning, as much Sci -fi is.

    technological surprise is a common factor in war where new weapons, or a change in use of old ones, degrades or even eliminates the advantage one side thought it had over another. The English Longbow, trebuchetes, and the tank are commonly used examples.

    Tanks were the counter to trench warfare, as the trenches were the counter to machine guns which made the old Napoleonic wars tactic of marching towards the Enemy in blocks of men hideously obsolete. Those blocks were developed to withstand heavy cavalry charges, and on and on. Yet the continued use of blocks of pike & musket after the American Civil War showed that European Generals hadn't absorbed the lessons of that war even as they adopted the weapons developed/deployed there that ended the usefulness of sending your men marching in the open at the enemy.

    Naval warfare is a succession of This theme. I suggest the "5 minute guide to warships" on YouTube for a good overview. This led to that led to....

    This forum is not the place to discuss the politics of MAD, STI, etc. But the technology may be relevant. And while the tech in Skyfall & SLAM may not be sold by Sonex the underlying tech may be used to recharge your batteries with safe isotope generators at airports later this century.

    And home builders today are playing with the tech originally mass produced as toys, now common in camera tech replacing the steadycam in low budget cinema, and foreshadowed in the upcoming Angel Has Fallen, as possibly the technology that will see drone swarms in war long before the robotic flying taxi service to Manhattan opens. But

    OTOH, we have Black Fly & for your edutainment, I present a favorite artist & music video shot with drones.



    And.... Checking out the "making of" video, I was wrong. They used a camera on a stick. :)
     
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