Rohr 2-173

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    This you tube video has the Rohr 2-175, sadly no actual inflight video
     
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    I read a flight report and this aircraft apparently flew quite well. Unfortunately, if I remember correctly, Rohr decided not to get into the airplane business and destroyed the air frame to avoid liability issues. Sad, but we all know the lawyers prevail.
     
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    Wow, look at that step/droop in the leading edge just outboard of the main gear!
     
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    See . Flights start about 18 minutes in.


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    That sort of dogs' tooth notch is quite common on swept wings because it reduces spanwise airflow along the leading edge. It reduces the risk of a wing root stall continuing all the way out to wing tips. Because wing tips are behind the centre of gravity, they produce a positive pitching moment (nose down) that helps with stall recovery.
    Early Mig fighter jets solved problems with pre-mature tip stall by installing wing fences.
    Many delta wing fighters (e.g. Mirage) have dogs' teeth.
    Burt Rutan solved the problem with tiny pylons hanging below the rear/main leading edges of his Long Eze canard.
    Velocity added similar tiny pylons to rear/main wings of their Rutan-like canard after a prototype crashed in a flat, stalled attitude.
     
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    Dear moderators,
    Please merge this thread with the other thread about small deltas: Dyke Delta, Delta Kitten, Facetmobile, Hustler, Verhees Delta, etc.
     
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    From behind, that Rohr looks like the Space Shuttle orbiter.
     
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    If it was to be merged there's a few already on the Rohr 2-175

    This would be an absolute winner as a kit :)
     
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    No way, this is a unique, stand alone aircraft. It shares very little in common with those others, other than being a delta planform.

    How about we throw all 3 axis aircraft in together instead? Yeah, thought so.



    One very unique feature, is that the fan was designed to use engines spinning at 4000 rpm. That opens the door for a large range of today's automotive engines direct drive (read cheap) that weren't available in the early 1970s.


    I have a simple 3D of the Rohr, and a few of my own 'easy to construct' iterations...

    Roar 2.jpg

    Roar 1.jpg

    I have also found Don Westergren, part designer and test pilot of it, hoping to ask him some questions.
     
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    This looks like the "Facetmobile" version of the Rohr. Aerodynamically, it's petty much a flying wing as there's no horizontal stabilizer. It will be interesting to hear what Westergren has to say about the aircraft.
     
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    You see a Facetmobile?

    Something wrong with your computer screen, this is what I see ..


    see.jpg
     
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    It's one of my favorite aircraft. It looks modern. The tandem would be awesome as long as you kick up the rear seat a smidge for visibility.

    A single seat with a Honda would be pretty quick and easy to build it would appear.

    I've been trying to get my hands on the for Rohr book for a while. Don W is over on rcgroups if I recall (there is a foamie version there and he weighed in on some of his impressions of the original)

    Don't forget to check out the float plane tests.
     
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    You'll never get a single seater out of me, just no market really.



    ? Don't understand.
     
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    There were models tested with skis in floatplane style. No joke.


     
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    Some of the wierd tidbits you get out of reading about the Rohr

    Wing was made as green layups of the exterior shell - then they added EPS foam and steamed to get pressure/heat for final cure and to add the core. No spar at all.

    I've often eyeballed it as a great scenario for a homebuilder. Cut the wing, and vstab - Rutan style wet layups. A welded steel roll cage structure (go a 40g top fuel dragster style safety cage and engine mount) drop on 2/ 3 molded composite pieces to skin the fuselage. Duct takes a bit more skill to cut but easily done in a CNC Hotwire

    The Delta gives it the area so it's like a practical bd5. Other than the approach/flare being 'different' it was apparently quite benign on handling. It was designed to compete with the 150/152...

    It could be a quite safe very quick built kit.

    Although I really do like the idea of it with a 583/ivoprop as a single seat quick/easy project.
     
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    Only aluminium for me.

    Got to figure this one out, worth doing as it solves the engine issue, and that's half the plane.
     
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    To me aluminum just makes the parts count and build time soar...

    Not volunteering - but it would be interesting to work out the design as 'open source' - work out the details/loads - aluminum, composite and wood version of the same basic airframe. Builders could pick and choose which version they preferred - but keeping some of the oddball pieces backwards compatible - like the duct, the cowling, canopy & frame etc.
     
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    Back in 2011, I looked into redesigning the Rohr for our Australian RAAus weight category

    This was my idea

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    Well I am proving at the moment that's no where near as bad as some imagine, and I can't change that I am comfortable with metals, and that everything for metal working is within a stone's throw from me.

    It would appear to be a matter of fact that Americans, i.e. the world's largest market, are most comfortable with metal kit planes as well.
     

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