Replica home builts

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  1. Little Scrapper

    Little Scrapper Well-Known Member

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    So I've been working on this Smith Miniplane wing which is just a project to have fun. As some here know I'm doing this as a fun project until I figure out what I want. This has been an interesting journey to say the least.

    I have a thread on possibly shrinking a two seater. That really got wheels turning.

    I'm pondering all these options and last night while I was making parts for the Smith wing I thought to myself, I just really enjoy the building challenge, especially airplanes that are a bit obscure or rare.

    What about a replica? Something unusual where it would be a challenge just to figure out the plans? Maybe a factory design that hasn't really been homebuilt before or if it has maybe just a couple of times.

    Budget wise I would set the limit at about $80k. I could make that work over the next few years.

    What designs exist that really would be neat to pursue? Spirit of St Louis? A rare racer? I'm not sure, I'm open to discussion. I'd even consider not flying it and donating it to a museum if it was far above my skill set. I'm after the challenge of it. The Gee Bee has been done a few times, so as much as I love that airplane it's not an option.


    My only real requirement is that the fuselage is steel tube and fabric.
     
  2. Little Scrapper

    Little Scrapper Well-Known Member

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    In the meantime I'm just gonna keep working on my Smith wing until no get this figured out.
     
  3. Tiger Tim

    Tiger Tim Well-Known Member

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    Personally, I'd be all over the racer. For me it would be something from the beginning of the golden age of racing like a Travel Air Mystery Ship or a Laird Solution. While there have been a couple Super Solution replicas built, I don't think anyone has done the Solution. A Cessna CR-3 would be neat too, though the retracts complicate things.
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  4. billyvray

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    Beech Staggerwing, sized for 2 peeps and either a Verner 9 cylinder or go big with a M14 radial.



    go ahead, I'll wait.

    For a similar idea, here's a fella that made a replica cabin Waco. Steel fuse, aluminum tube wings. Says it flies great. Built from a 3-view only.


    View attachment mini_waco-sport_aviation-april_08.pdf mini waco.jpg
     
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  6. Topaz

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    Any of the older kit designs, especially those prior to about 1975, are a lot "thinner" on build manuals, systems diagrams, or really much of anything but the very basics. I'd stick to one of those for this kind of challenge. Type-certificated designs tend to be designed for factory manufacturing conditions, toolsets, and amounts of available labor. They're not at all optimized for garage-building.
     
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  7. cvairwerks

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    I know of an 80 or 85% Staggerwing project that's probably available. Lots of options out there, just have to define how big, how many seats, how fast and what materials you want to work in.
     
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  8. cluttonfred

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    How about something like this, welded steel tube fuselage and it would look great with a Verner 3VW....see Cantilever parasol wings? The downside is that you'd basically have to design it based on standard Fokker practice of the time, no plans likely exist.
     

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  9. Victor Bravo

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    Wow, Matthew, whatever that little mini-Fokker was designed to do... it's badass. Was that a sub-scale prototype for what became the D-8?

    ScaleBirdsScott and Robert Baslee need to sit down and have lunch over this little airplane.
     
  10. cluttonfred

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    Hehe, yes, I like it, too!

    From what little info I have found, it was a sport plane based on the D.VII proposed immediately after WWI. The initial V.39 seems to have been essentially a slightly smaller D.VIII without guns but complete with the 110 hp rotary engine. The V.40 was an even smaller, lighter, simpler version with a radial engine of 1/3 the power that would have been much more economical for a private owner.

    Here is a 3-view comparison with the D.VIII roughly to scale. Note the constant-chord wing and simpler treatment of the turtledeck and horizontal stab. I think you could straighten the ailerons (perhaps make them full span), use a larger rudder, and split the landing gear and still end up with a racy and fun little plane.

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  12. Riggerrob

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    I want a half-scale replica of a World War 2 vintage Blohm & Voss 141 assymetric airplane. It definitely n Ed’s a weld steel roll cage around the cockpit to hold all those clear windows.
     
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    Hmm, unusual? Challenging? Off-the-beaten path racer? 5/8 scale DH.88 with a pair of 582s. More obscure, but maybe more realistic: Caudron C-460. Now there's a plane with style.

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  14. Little Scrapper

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    Some crazy suggestions :) all good stuff though.

    I like some of the old racers like the Hall Bulldog but man, that's a bit too hot for me.

    I like the C3 suggestion, that's pretty manageable.
     
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    A challenge? Unique?
    Build Dana's dream: a scale Hughes H4.
     
  16. Jimstix

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    How about a replica de Havilland Hornet? Very good areas and moments and could easily accept automotive liquid-cooled engines. Keep the wing loading under 20 lbs/ft sq and the power loading near 10 lbs/hp. The prototype had very good single engine handling.
     
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    Beings you love to build parts and probably would like a taste of retracts and all good plumbers like a nice round body I would love to build and own a Grumman Gulf Hawk scaled down to about 70 percent.:) gulf hawk.jpg
     
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    I want a wooden JN4 Jenny it can be 3/4 or 2/3 scale but I'd love a wood and fabric Jenny
     
  20. Tiger Tim

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    I’d love to do a full size Jenny with a tube fuselage and tail feathers but wooden wings. A 200hp Ranger would be about right and would be in keeping with the general theme of a 60’s-style airshow and movie plane. The only trouble is the span is beyond what would fit in an ordinary (cheap) hangar.
     

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