I think maybe be just 10% up front. Full payment would be due once the milestone event is accomplished.You do know that you have to pay in full before the prototype is designed?
While unsubstantiated for Synergy, the greatest similarities I see are the detracting comments. 6 seat not 5, won't likely fly before the DeltaHawk engine is FULLY tested and receives its engine certification which (yes after years of waiting) will actually happen now that the newly redesigned engine has solved the piston wrist pin (largest issue) and other design refinement issues holding them up. And the FWB package is somewhere between 400-500lbs (not 1,000)! Unlike Raptor, Synergy also weighs every part and was on target to their design weight the last time I asked (over a year ago).The $100,000 recieved on Kickstarter, and numbers of them quite unhappy they didn't even recieved their mugs or TShirts (whatever) at the time, don't know if they have or not now.
Untried design, 5 seater, new type diesel engine, hmmm, I've heard all this somewhere else ...
Outside of the guys that locked in their price by putting down $20k. You had the first bunch that put $3000 in escrow and the 2nd wave that had to put $2000 into escrow. Once this thing flies, he will request to have the escrows released. You don't have to pay more until they get to your build. I think he is doing everything he can just to get this in the air and make some promises if/when it doesn't make the numbers to get people to agree to release the escrows. You are right about the milestone event being vague. So, there's another $3 million for him to play with if he can get the escrows.I think maybe be just 10% up front. Full payment would be due once the milestone event is accomplished.
The milestone event would turn out to be: The check for the 10% deposit clears the bank.
Where did I say all? That said (at least for all of the examples cited), the engine cooling ducting entry via wing root with split cooling for IC, oil cooler, and radiator certainly qualifies. The short as I have ever seen (cool side turbo outlet less than 1ft to IC directly back up to duct directly into [normally bypassed] supercharger) engine forced induction/IC path (you have to perceptively realize where the IC, not yet pictured, will go) is brilliant along with the exhaust and cooling duct rear exits. And the CG centered, engineered for ease of access electronics placement (alongside of which will also be large CG-centered luggage areas) is a stroke of genius. The question is why not tackle things from scratch that have been so poorly designed in most aircraft? And the relatively short path, rod driven (stick not yoke) flight controls (moveable left, right, center) looks quite exceptional.Why is it all "Outside the Box"? Why is so much being tackled from scratch, just as the Raptor is?
It was an aerodynamic concept offered, then why not start just with that and prove it?
Build a 2 seater 0-320 powered model, which itself would take the market by storm if it worked, I could see people lining up for that one, use the profit to further develop, but no, lets go straight to a 5 seater with all the fruit including an unproven diesel concept, and water cooled just to add to the hardship. Magnitudes more difficult than a standard'ised, and very marketable, 2 seater.
And then there's the magnitude difference of producing a standard'ised 2 seater Vs 5 seater with all the fruit. These guys are simply not thinking ahead, and seem oblivious to the task ahead of them, not to mention the finances involved ...
Same advice as people gave to the Raptor guy.
Anyway, all too depressing, back to my 200 knot, 3 GPH, 6 seat, $4,999 build.
My issue with Synergy is taking $100,000 to prove an aerodynamic phenonemen, then meandering off on all sorts of tangents, the DeltHawk being one of them, and not following the most direct route to honour those who donated.While unsubstantiated for Synergy,
Is your claim above first hand knowledge or hearsay? I actually received my shirts (and hats)
And a fraction supposedly undelivered t-shirts and coffee mugs does not equal $2.7M in REAL deposits for an aircraft - not a coffee mug!
Until such time as is proven otherwise, I am happy to put my Synergy pin
Oh bollocks, that time and money could have gone into the plane that the donors donated for, not some new factory and a flight simulator.And they are thinking ahead, again, if you look closely, you can see (and could have checked it out at Oshkosh as well) that they have built a fully functional flight sim using mechanically and functionally equivalent Synergy flight controls. When the aircraft does come out, tell me what flight school wouldn't want a 3 pilotable seat aircraft and flight sim?
Dam Son, I’s wondering when you have time to build on anything. Seems you and several others spend all your time trying to find holes in some other projects, Under the self appointed auspicious of being the ‘Know all, End all’ of aircraft design!Anyway, I need to get back to mine, my plane that ligitimately has more headroom than a Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning, these threads are too depressing.
Delayed, absolutely. Who says this isn't the most direct route given available resources?My issue with Synergy is taking $100,000 to prove an aerodynamic phenonemen, then meandering off on all sorts of tangents, the DeltHawk being one of them, and not following the most direct route to honour those who donated.
2012 or 2013: "We have to complete the entire project in less than a year to maintain our preferred timeline,"
C'mon, delays are inevitable, everybody knows that every one of these project time's blow out, but 7 years ...
The spit over the shirts and hats was very real, and Mr Synergy was quite obnoxious in his responses.
But you are correct, there is a big difference in asking for donations towards a project, and taking money en masse when it's impossible, and one must know that it is impossible, to fullfill those orders as Raptor has done.
Still the public is out $100,000 for the moment, with no sight in end while the creator waddles along building his dream plane rather than proving the concept, and the project seems to have gained substantial new premises, that I would have to logically assume was paid for with at least some of the donated $100,000. I believe that 100% of those donations should be directed at completing the craft.
Anyway, I need to get back to mine, my plane that ligitimately has more headroom than a Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning, these threads are too depressing.
Oh, you mean like the time and money going into a design for something that would actually help the project both succeed and provide a great method for donors to learn to fly one?Oh bollocks, that time and money could have gone into the plane that the donors donated for, not some new factory and a flight simulator.
I was half with you until I read this wayward, apologist position for yourself and the project, don't want to read your nonsense anymore, bye bye.