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  1. Sep 28, 2018 #21

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    I couldn't either. If you're going to use one of these, you'd better make sure there is some way to get a lot of air moving over the engine. The usual test clubs have short, wide, steeply pitched blades to do this.
     
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    I have an article by Michel Colomban that I translated from french here
    http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com/f...t=5622&page=76&p=432780&viewfull=1#post432780

    The quality is quite low but PM me for a better copy.

    Also use "wood club dyno" in your google search and you should get more hits.

    Shannon.

    Edit: I might have the wrong end of the stick here and have the wrong idea of what you are after?
     
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  3. Sep 28, 2018 #23

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    I have a spreadsheet that can calculate hp absorbed by a certain Effel prop, or calculate the size eiffel prop to absorb a certain hp.

    View attachment Eiffelclub.xls
     
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    Thanks for jogging my memory.. I raise you the version I picked up from somewhere....
     

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    Uh-oh, another long thread I now have to read...
     
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    That f!@#$%^& insignificant tower in Paris keeps getting in the way of my web searches on this subject. ;-)
     
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    Those put a weird asymmetric load on your crank shaft that at the very least can wallow out your front main bearing. IIRC the Cub that was flying with an Everel prop a couple years ago was wrecked over that very reason.
     
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    eiffel propeller -tower
     
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    One bladed propellers have been touted to be more efficient, But there is more to consider, what is it going to do to your motor mounts and engine bearings?
     
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    The blade is balanced side to side but it has asymmetrical thrust loading so it needs a teetering hub bearing like the Cub prop mentioned.
     
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    I saw the counterweight come off a single bladed RC model like a bullet. I wouldn't do it. Folding props have a history of problems on piston engines. I wouldn't do that either. The difference in drag of a feathered Hoffman prop at 50 kts is not detectable by me. The main advantage of the Hoffman prop is the cockpit adjustable mechanical low/high pitch settings which make takeoff possible in a heavy motorglider.
     
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    Aircraft Propeller Design by Fred Weick, the NACA 212 guy. There's also a print on demand available in abebooks.

    Hovey's prop book is on a VJ24W owner's website, along with one by Shubert.

    The folding single blade props fixes some issues that they have. I wouldn't want to use a fixed single blader myself.
     
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    Seems like if they can make a feathering prop that survives a piston engine, they should be able to make a folder that does, which can probably have the bearings a little further apart. As far as counterweights go, I'm sure they can be made quite safe if the design is right. BTW, I've seen a blade break off a two bladed RC model prop like a bullet. It's a good thing that the guy who was hit on the back was wearing a heavy leather jacket. I guess it wouldn't have gone as FAR as a counterweight, but it probably went faster, at least at first. What percentage of performance degradation do you think you could detect?
     
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    I can feather the prop or unfeather it back and forth in a second with the prop lever. No difference that I can detect.
    I can detect the dramatic effect of the dive brake lever and see the vsi go to 2000 fpm. I can't really detect the different glide ratio of say from 25 degraded to 20 without instruments or a clock. With a motorglider who cares? It isn't a glider.
    Is the feather prop worth $12k? A very narrow fixed prop could be made with some almost feathered permanent root fairing cuffs if desired, I suppose.
     
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    Composite single balde props would probably be OK, the Everel prop had a problem of keeping it in balance as the wood adsorbed and lost mosture
     
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    If a motorglider isn't a glider, what do you call a good glider or sailplane that's able to launch itself?
     
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    There are only motorgliders or pure gliders. Pure gliders don't launch themselves.
     
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    Some footlaunchers are glaring at you, BB.
     
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    Snob! I won't let you ride in the S-10! ;-)
     

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