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  1. Aug 1, 2010 #1

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    Does any one know if this company is still in business? A friend sent this guy a substantial amount of money for some aircraft parts and has received nothing. All calls go unanswered. I would hate to think we need to drive way up there just to get our parts.

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  2. Aug 2, 2010 #2

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    Preceptor Aircraft had a good reputation at one time many years ago when others ran it. But the guy Duwayne that runs it now, I think has serious issues and is a flake. It’s basically a one-man operation from what I’ve been told, and he doesn't do diddly squat! I’ve tried for about two years off and on to get one response from him, either through phone, e-mail or snail mail. I’ve moved on so never had the oppurtunity to even put money down on a plane, and wouldn't have judging from how they never got back with me on basic inquiries. On the phone or their web-site it’s always one excuse or the other of why he supposedly is having trouble getting back to you. I never heard anything other than an answering machine. This guy is slowly going the way of Bradley Aircraft if he hasn't already. Plan on a trip.
     
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    I would stay well clear of Duwayne Counts. Wrongway John is right on the money with his comments. I bought and paid for an Ultrapup kit in February 2009 and was promised a 3 month delivery. Well I have not received my kit yet. If I manage to contact Duwayne he promises the world, all empty promises.
    I went the Rutherfordton NC to see him and the factory is nothing but a run down shed, he "works"on his own ,there are no other employees. You may notice he has started advertising 25% discount for Oshkosh specials. The man is a scam artist as far as I am concerned, anyone looking at buying a kit from him needs to know this.
     
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    I have tried numerous times to contact "preceptor aircraft" for info and to purchase a set of plans with no response. I lived not far from the "preceptor factory" and tried a couple times to stop by and as the last poster said, it is nothing but a run down hangar. I have stopped trying and suggest everyone else move along to a good reputable company. I am still fascinated by amount of people trying to build one of their Stol King's even thought here is not a single demo, or test aircraft out there and the one or two that have flown are no longer airworthy due to structural failure or other symptoms.
     
  5. Aug 15, 2010 #5

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    I hope more will file complaints with the attorney general in that state or at least file a report with the BBB, that have lost money, very few have done so. The BBB gives this company an F rating. Click on the BBB link to file a report and/or also click on other links to read about this company.

    There are plenty of reputable aircraft companies that have a long standing and good reputation with their customers and are financially sound, have plenty of good customer support and actual employees to meet all of your needs as many can attest to on these boards. This just isn’t one of them.
     
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    That's easy enough to check. Typed in a google with Preceptor Aircraft’s address under real estate listings, and sure enough you're right. I got this listing:

    http://www.weichert.com/32678596/

    Thanks for the heads up. Pics don’t show a single plane in those pics inside the building, let alone room to make any plane parts.

    I’m not sure why he still has his web page going, everything about it seems bogus on what he is promising. He needs to shut down completely, or at least sell the existing business to see if someone can do something with it and get its good reputation back.
     
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    Is it the hangar for sale, or maybe the business?
    It would be great if someone would properly revive the line again!
     
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    Link's been deactivated - maybe he unloaded. Or the lease ran out.
    Percy in SE Bama (used to live in Spindale)
     
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    Duwayne is offering a September special, but his internet is down and he doesn't answer the phone. He has not delivered kits ordered 2 years ago, this is not hear say, it is fact. Anybody wanting to order a kit, please be very cautious. This man is a scammer. A few internet sites rate Preceptor Aircraft and the products very highly, this information is old , not updated and stems from the time when his father ran the company. You money is better spent else where, If you do not believe me , please spend a few extra dollars and go and visit the company, you will be horrified.
     
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    He's been offering 25% off for some time. It may be this time his e-mail is down, but he's used that reason before. As well as a virus attack has shut his e-mail down before too. His site once stated telephone lines are down. And numereous times on his answering machine it has said there has been a death in the family, but to leave the usual message between such and such hours, only for him still never get back to you at any time.

    Although he's claiming his e-mail is down, notice the site says it is still able to take your orders. For those doing so, good luck with all of that.

    Since a couple of you on this thread have said you have lost money, I don't know why you do not go ahead and file the complaint with the BBB, and see if they can do anything for you. I've had mostly good results with that organization.
     
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    Hey Gents,

    Can't help you with Preceptor, but if you need parts, there I can help you. I'm an EAA member, who just happens to have a CNC machine shop at home. I've been building STOL King and Pup series parts for plan holder. Let me know if I can be of assistance.

    Incidently, I don't ask for you to pay for your parts until they are ready to ship.

    Glen
     
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    Thank you all for the updated information here! A buddy of mine and I were seriously pursuing the Ultra Pup until reading this. Thank you for saving us a lot of wasted time, energy, and potentially money! Same as posted here, I tried emailing but got my email kicked back to me. Tried calling, left a message, and have yet to hear anything back. Sheesh...
     
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    You know, im really truely sad to hear about Preceptor going down the tubes. I fell in love with the pups years ago and when i dealt with the company, Duwayne was really helpful. When a lot of these other planes came out, i really missed that over the years, that Preceptor didnt have a place at Oshkosh. I still believe that these little airplanes are the greatest thing since sliced bread. only thing that buggs me is that they dont weigh in as a legal ultralight. other than that they seem like they have a great safety record and fly well~much to bad . .. .
     
  14. Sep 17, 2010 #14

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    Sometimes you just have to ask! I’d really like to hear from each of you who have paid Perceptor Aircraft for a kit, supplies or parts. Reading the many posts it looks like some of the kits were paid for as much as 18 months ago and you’ve received nothing. Basically, I’d like to know what you orders, how much you put down and when it was to be delivered. Now it’s your turn to ask why! Basically, I’d like to bail Perceptor Aircraft out by picking up their liabilities and in so doing being able to take control of the company. I’m estimating that Perceptor may have somewhere between 50 and 60K in undelivered product. I think it’s a viable product line that needs to be better managed and supported.
    I’ve been a pilot and an air traffic controller since the mid 1960’s. In Viet Nam I flew as a .50 Cal door gunner in the Ch-46, I’ve served as a Marine Corps Drill Instructor, been a Warrant Officer and finally retired at the grade of Major and as the Executive Officer of a Marine Corps Squadron. After retirement I managed large airports, built up an aviation fuel service and finally retired to become a home based CNC metal cutting business. I’ve built EAA aircraft, large sailboats (38’) and been a now non-current CFII since the early 1970’s. In 1976 I was appointed as an FAA designated Examiner for Air Traffic Controllers. Point is that I’ve been involved in aviation for nearly 50 years. I think that I have the resources and capability to turn Preceptor around, get the kits and parts out that have been ordered and make a go of what was once a well-run and prosperous Experimental Aircraft Business. I’ve asked Duwayne to call me as he has in the past, but that email was just returned. So I’ll call him again in the morning.
    I’d really appreciate your quick responses to the above request of information. I’d also ask that you let others who have the same issue know about my request for information. If I should fail I suggest that you start looking at how to recover your funds.
     
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    I'm not quite sure if you have enough qualifications to do this. I mean...reading what you wrote...it makes me wonder.

    Ok, I'm kidding. I had to laugh when I read this, you are so over qualified and you seem so enthusiastic, by golley, I wish you the best in your endeavor. And never give up!
     
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    It would be nice to see this line of kit aircraft saved - the two seat Pup is one of the very few viable VW powered two-seaters out there. If the figures can be believed, an empty of 450 and loaded weight of 1100lbs is an admirable effort for this type of airplane. From what little I have seen of the structure, it seemed pretty well engineered.
     
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    04marine,
    I too would love to pick up such a line of aircraft... it's pretty much what UT and I have been developing right now.
    With these aircraft alongside our Solo and Duet, all we would need is the low wing and the UL, and our stable would be full.

    Good luck! If it becomes available and you don't want to go it on your own, let me know by PM.
    I'm down at SMX (Santa Maria, CA)
     
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    I have paid in full for a kit and extra's which include propellor, engine mount, skull cap and exaust system. You do the sums. This was paid to him in March of 2009. I dont want to give out too much information , because I have the BBB and Dep of Justice NC looking into Duwaynes fraudulent activities.
    The product was good once and would be a shame to let it die a slow painfull death in the hands od such an incompetant weasel, like Duwayne.
    I'm sure if somebody with good business ethics and skills takes over the company, it would be a win win situation for the new owner and the kit aircraft world
     
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    Gents,
    I think an announcement is in order. As many of your know, I've been working at gaining ownership of Preceptor Aircraft Corporation, Inc.. With the below email from Duwayne Counts I think we are one step closer to that happening.
    "Hi Glen,

    I accept your proposal dated Oct. 1st, 2010. I will get together a list of customers and inventory to send to you. Thank you for this opportunity.

    Best regards,
    Duwayne Counts"

    This does not mean that it is written in stone, but that we have a place to begin a meaningful discussion about the transfer of ownership. In the end Duwayne stepped up to the plate and did the right thing for his customers and product line. With one kit purchaser indicating that he has been waiting 3 years for delivery, the time to change leadership is at hand. I know that one buyer has already contacted state authorities about the time lag, but I think we have that held up for the time being.

    What can I promise you? Several things right off the top of my head…One is that I will answer the phone and return emails. More important, I will not ask you to pay for a kit or plans unless I have them on hand and ready to ship. I also have an associate in this adventure who is working on the plans for an improved Storch design capable of carrying additional horsepower and with a wider cabin. We have also talked about some other projects, but they just not ready to come out of the closet yet.

    Assuming that Duwayne and I finalize an agreement I plan to drive back to North Carolina in the upcoming weeks to inventory what is there load what I can and ship the rest. Following arrival back in California, I will need to establish what will likely be Preceptor Aircraft, LLC. My first order of business is to deliver 3 kits at my expense to buyer that have been waiting 3 years, 18 months and about 10 months for their kits to be delivered. During that time, I'll sell plans and take order for kits at a later date, but my first priority is to fill these very senior orders. Once established, we will ship a building manual and aircraft owner manual with every kit, and make them available at a reasonable cost for those who prefer to plan build. During the first year, I'll try to keep prices at or below their current regular price by perhaps 20% simply to re-establish Preceptor Aircraft as a kit producer that get the product out the door in a timely fashion.

    For the time being I can be reached at usmc.maw@earthlink.net or at longez102@earthlink.net. I will keep all of you up to speed regarding our ongoing discussion to transfer Preceptor Aircraft.

    Regards,
    Glen Porter
     
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    That's some good news Glen!
     

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