Plane Crazy Saturday 19 Oct KMHV

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Marc Zeitlin

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40th anniversary of the Long Ez. The Rutans and Melville are guest speakers for the luncheon.

http://mojavemuseum.org/plane-crazy-saturday/

Any HBA peeps planning to attend?
Just bought my ticket. Like I don't get to hear Mike talk enough in our hangar :). And folks, it's "MELVILL" - no "e" on the end. I'll be flying my COZY (N83MZ) down all the way from Tehachapi - about 7 minutes, IIRC.
 

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I’d love to go, but I can’t. We are hosting our annual fly-in and classic car show at Sierra Sky Park (Fresno) on that day.
 

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Maybe.... Depends on whether the wind wants to blow like Mojave can blow.
No promises, but this is the time of year that the wind doesn't blow, the temps are reasonable, and there is still enough daylight for a 172 to make it from the LA basin and back in the same day!
 

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Little breeze this AM. Listening to the radio and there's a few Long Eze types getting here early. Getting ready to head out after breakfast
 

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Good turnout of those silly plastic, backwards airplanes on the ramp, as well as the Boomerang and Catbird. Was nice to see only a few RV's (and relegated to the boondocks, at that).

The talk was a make it up as you go Q&A session and light on technical details (even when asked specifically), but heavy on self congratulatory life event stories (as I expected). It seems that Burt is getting emotional in his advancing years and based on Mike and Dick's stories, I am not alone in poor aeronautical decision making skills.

Inspection of the cooling system of Catbird and Boomerang was interesting to me. I've modeled my Rocket cooling inlets after Boomerang based upon pictures and written description. I found out that the Boomerang is really a very rough prototype. The inlets are rougher than mine and there is no attempt at secondary sealing of lower deck pressure in the cowl. Boomerang has plenty of huge gaps allowing lower cowl pressure to escape into the prop and create drag. Catbird was similar in the level of finish - it had a long way to go. To be fair, Burt did them quick and dirty to validate a concept and then move on. His quote for the day when asked what his favorite airplane is "...my NEXT one...". Classic.

Saw Marc Z briefly but no other HBA types.

Was good show.
 

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Good turnout of those silly plastic, backwards airplanes on the ramp...
About 1/4 of which I've either worked on or inspected at one point or another. One from NH and another from CO. Some of them are gorgeous - others (not the ones I work on :) ), well, let's just say they should have a shroud over them when parked.

... based on Mike and Dick's stories, I am not alone in poor aeronautical decision making skills...
You should hear the stories they tell when NOT in public... :).

Rik was also there - don't know about anyone else.

The takeoff on 26, with winds from 280 - 290 at 33G40 was interesting :). Didn't get the crap beat out of me going over the ridge to TSP, though, as I expected - no rotor at all - very smooth.

Agree with TB on the Q session - I wouldn't call it a Q&A session, as out of the 15 audience questions that were asked, I don't think they answered one between the three of them. But that was completely expected, as TB said.
 

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There were some rough examples on the line, but as been explained to me, the canard guys like to modify and tweak - primer and rough fiberglass is a badge of honor. I can relate.
 

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I have a question for those who may be in the know. Burt did a video series de-bunking the whole global warming and climate change media hype. For the people who know him personally, was this video above board, or was he BS'ing on behalf of some friends as part of some big military industrial complex scam?
 
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I have a question for those who may be in the know. Burt did a video series de-bunking the whole global warming and climate change media hype. For the people who know him personally, was this video above board, or was he BS'ing on behalf of some friends as part of some big military industrial complex scam?
Burt's analysis was an unbiased view based on a scientific viewpoint unaffected by the need for grants, political approval, etc.
 

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I have a question for those who may be in the know. Burt did a video series de-bunking the whole global warming and climate change media hype. For the people who know him personally, was this video above board, or was he BS'ing on behalf of some friends as part of some big military industrial complex scam?
Some folks, when they're brilliant in one area, sometimes believe that they are brilliant in all areas, even if they've never studied the area to the extent that experts in that area have. Let's just say that a climate scientist designing an aircraft would be just as successful at the task as Burt was in evaluating Global Warming.

Every part of his "analysis" has long since been debunked by folks who know a lot more than he does. Obviously, this discussion has nothing whatsoever to do with airplanes and will almost immediately devolve into a religious argument, so suffice it to say that Burt was serious, if misguided, and hardly an "unbiased" view.
 

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Every part of his "analysis" has long since been debunked by folks who know a lot more than he does.

OK, thank you. I didn't want to derail the forum, but I figured this question is OK while we are mentioning his talk at Plane Crazy wandering off of HBA topics
 

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Were there as many Rutan designs there as there were at OSH during Height of Rutan mania?
 
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