# Once again with the FAA...

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#### robertl

##### Well-Known Member
A pilot friend bought an Ariel Atom that never had been issued state tags. Apparently, it had lived in a race driving school its entire life.

Friend went to the local DMV to register it and get a tag. “Can’t be done.” Friend kept checking, and when a different DMV employee was at the window, he tried again. “Can’t be done.” Repeat one more time, “No problem.”

That thing sure was fun to drive.

BJC

Exactly, dealing with another person makes all the difference. "Yes, I think it can be easily done, just take it all down to Hwy 61!"
Bob

#### robertl

##### Well-Known Member
I have a van, bought in Oregon, driven to Texas during the onset of Covid-19, as the pandemic spread eastward. The title is obviously rat-chewed and it is at least 2 owners in arrears, on registration. Eventually, I'll be filling for a lost title...

FWIW, I overloaded the van with steel components and drove it mostly down hill on 35PSI-rated tires, with 65PSI in them, metal rattling all the way...
Get 'er done !

#### Dennis DeFrange

##### Well-Known Member
Get the case drawn before a Judge , tell him that if the airplane is not awarded to you immediately , it will be delivered in his driveway before he returns home that evening . Be sure he has a picture of his new winnings . My friend , you will be the new owner .

#### Pilot-34

##### Well-Known Member
Sounds like away to retire on The governments dime with full houseing healthcare clothier and meals

#### varivig

##### Member
As an update:

Getting nowhere. The original owner went to the court asking for the documents and got blank stares. You can't expect court employees to know anything about legal matters. I asked the FAA if a letter from the attorney who dealt with the estate, confirming that these are indeed the rightful heirs, would be acceptable. No - it is not acceptable to the FAA, it has to come from a court. This attorney has long since retired anyway.

They say if the estate went to probate, there should be letters Testamentary or something like it ; the estate never went to probate! There was a living trust established before he died and two of his children were trustees of the Living Trust. And it says exactly that on the bill of sale: "trustees of the Living Trust of..." . Not acceptable. They still want me to put a dead person's name as the seller...

I know the only way this is going to get resolved it by jumping through their hoops, but they keep moving them and now they6 are using invisible hoops too. I need Xanax....
Unelected bureaucrats flexing their minuscule intellect.

#### Monty

##### Well-Known Member
Unelected bureaucrats flexing their minuscule intellect.

Just give them the right forms signed in the right way.........and like a magic spell..."these aren't the droids you're looking for".....it will be done. ;-)

Monty

#### PMD

##### Well-Known Member
I'm going to be working thru the labyrinth this fall with one of my projects. Certified a/c, had an SBA loan against it. Got seized and sold in a Sheriff's auction. The guy I bought it from died prior to getting the title stuff cleared. Sheriff's Department doesn't have the auction records any more, as I am not a party to the SBA loan, I can't have any info about it, and no loan info in the FAA file, other than there is an SBA loan on the a/c. They guy that had the loan is dead....We shall see what transpires.
I like the nugget that appeared earlier in this thread. STORE the airplane in your custody, then proceed to acquire it by default of storage payments.

#### PTAirco

##### Well-Known Member

Just give them the right forms signed in the right way.........and like a magic spell..."these aren't the droids you're looking for".....it will be done. ;-)

Monty

I thought that is exactly what I did. Now hey are asking me to make false statements on a Bill of Sale. They are also asking for Letters Testamentary or Letters of Administration. Those documents only come into play if the deceased left no will and it goes to probate. Not the case here: He left a living trust which means the courts never got involved and since they didn't, these documents do not exist. The Bill of Sale was signed by the trustees of the Living Trust; I sent a copy of the lawyer's letters showing them to be the trustees. They keep harping on about those Letters. it's mindboggling. And this guy is working for some kind of legal section of the FAA! He doesn't know what "probate" means?

#### J.L. Frusha

##### Well-Known Member
Hunt him down, with a legalese dictionary, pages marked and show him?

#### BBerson

##### Light Plane Philosopher
The seller signature listed on the Bill of Sale must match the name on the registration exactly. Is that the case?
Or does the registration list Smith Trust or something as the owner?
Just look up the N number online.

#### Monty

##### Well-Known Member
I thought that is exactly what I did. Now hey are asking me to make false statements on a Bill of Sale. They are also asking for Letters Testamentary or Letters of Administration. Those documents only come into play if the deceased left no will and it goes to probate. Not the case here: He left a living trust which means the courts never got involved and since they didn't, these documents do not exist. The Bill of Sale was signed by the trustees of the Living Trust; I sent a copy of the lawyer's letters showing them to be the trustees. They keep harping on about those Letters. it's mindboggling. And this guy is working for some kind of legal section of the FAA! He doesn't know what "probate" means?

Yikes....sounds like you have moved past the low level storm troopers and are now dealing with the evil Sith lords at the main office.....that is more difficult, and beyond my magic to heal. Lord help you if you get two or three that don't really know what they are doing arguing with each other and sending you back and forth between them all. Perhaps you should sacrifice a chicken???

Frustrating I'm sure.

#### PTAirco

##### Well-Known Member
Progress!

They now acknowledge that the forms they ask for would not exist in this case. But they will accept the heir-at-law from, signed by the executors and notarized.
This is what I already sent them in the first place!!! Six months ago.

I will return the forms to them and await the next round of idiocy.

#### Hot Wings

##### Grumpy Cynic
Shampoo
Rinse
Repeat

I hope a chicken will be enough.