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  1. Apr 16, 2011 #21

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    You may find some pictures of Nano there. According the representative it will be flown in two weeks. But he could'nt say nothing about the CG limits....
     
  2. Apr 16, 2011 #22

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    Wow, now that's a beautiful airplane!

    Lots of photos of interesting structural details of other planes there, too.

    -Dana

    If you glue a piece of toast, butter side up, to your cat's back, and drop it from a high place, which way will it land?
     
  3. Apr 16, 2011 #23

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    Yeah, the artists renderings exaggerate the wing size. Seeing the mockup (or proto) in that photo series... Yep, I agree AR. Stall speed wouldn't meet 103 regardless. Nice European microlight, I suppose...
     
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    Certainly are! Love all the photos of the old Hütter sailplane. A beauty. :)
     
  5. Apr 17, 2011 #25

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    there is some info on the XTC on the seabuild yahoo site here Yahoo! Groups

    Craig
     
  6. Apr 19, 2011 #26

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    What are the Part 103 limits ?
     
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  8. Apr 19, 2011 #28

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    Hi

    European less than 70kg ultralight limits are looser:
    weight limit 70 kg
    no stall speed limit
    no top speed limit
    no limits on engine type, number and power
    no safety regulations
    no license/medical requirements

    That is because EASA is not interested in lighter than 70kg, you can do anything if you keep weight limit and can ride on it (i.e. not remotely controlled).

    This craft might be intended for european market.

    Karoliina
     
  9. Apr 19, 2011 #29

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    That 23 kts stall is 43 km/h ( a tad less ).

    55 kts is 102 km/h.
     
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    Sorry to be so direct, but this is completely incorrect.

    All member states have granted EASA legislation for specific topics. That simply means that issues that fall outside of that parameter (like all microlights and the category you mention) are done by the authorities theirselves. MLA's and below 70 kg is a matter of national rulemaking, sometimes with EASA guidelines.

    I can guarantee you that if you try to fly a 60 kg glider without any registration/certification you will be prosecuted in Germany, Belgium, France, the Netherlands, Italy, the UK, Austria, Switserland or Luxemburg. Many of those countries have pretty strict regulations on these aircraft and I'm pretty sure this is the same in your country or other member states...
     
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  12. Apr 19, 2011 #32

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    The front wing will fly more than the rear one, and even if it doesn't the hull/engine/battery weight will add up- even for short flights. Everything about this looks poorly thought out. If it can be made to look and operate to "parameters" there may be a few bought. My guess is they go to two stroke, in addition to redesigning roughly everything.

    More Power to You.

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  13. Apr 20, 2011 #33

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    Autoreply,

    How about if the builder actually has made a deal with a local authority that they overlook the pilots who purhase these Nanos and fly them without any permission..and the plane has no inspections made by authorities and despite the successful test flite in a calm summer day the actual owners let's say 50-100 of them end up dying in wast numbers due to multitude of reasons where someway or other the plane is found out very unsafe ( engine out operation and rough weather comes to mind first ) mostly by inexperienced pilot doing silly mistakes ( like forgetting to buckle up etc.). Despite the 2-3 M€ the maker has had to his/her account the profit is marginal...and law suits can be devastating I suppose ? Or is there a possibilty to just avoid responsibility by a document where you sign and declare that you carry all responsibity of flying a Nano when you buy yourself one ?

    I am actually designing/sketching a plane to fit the same nongategorized zone and I am very curious...or do I just leave it as an experimental ?
     
  14. Apr 20, 2011 #34

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    Hello autoreply,

    If that is the case in mentioned eu states, the market shrinks to Finland where what I said is known to apply. It is confirmed from caa.

    This is the only thing where Finland is not strict.

    Karoliina
     
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    Wavers are only valid until the person who signed it dies then it becomes the family's choice whether or not to honer the document. You can sign away your own rights but not someone else's
     
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    I see, but lotsa people die in motorcycle accidents, snowmobile and jetskis etc. Is it if the death is caused by "suicidal" usage that the manufacturer has no responsibility or like in japanese auto maker case several cars had brakes failing that caused accidents...that actually aotomatically leads to compensations ?

    Does that matter...and in case of an aeroplane a malfuction of the machine would lead to liability of the design. Malfunction would not be if the engine runs outa gas in take off or the pilot stalls it at 100 ft height. Malfunction is if the prop snaps or control cable etc. unexpectedly ?????
     
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    70 km/t is the landing speed..nearly double the Part 103.

    No info of the wingloading or wingarea.

    Flynano
     
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    Great your trip to native americans in the misty mountains has brought you a great vision.

    I tought your avatar byrd is nearly a copy of this Nano Nano thing ? What would you change in it ?
     
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    And just think, for $39G's you too can own one of these glorified wave runners...... For that kind of dough one could buy a pretty respectable multi-seat, much more useful craft.............

    Another rich man's toy that will be built in a few examples and will then fade away to some obscure corner of the aviation niche world.
     
  20. Apr 20, 2011 #40

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    Right Nick !

    I think 39 000 usd is alot of money. I think you ought to get suntin like this with that much of dough ( powered with 4 x 25 kg/thrust model engines );

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