Once the politician saw the man can fly, invented the air traffic controller.
Auto I wasn't going to reply to that, I'm very busy at the moment, but you forced me to that with your response, I want also underline that this is my LAST post here about UE (better known as a commie state).I couldn't disagree more.
Most of the rules you're told they're "from Europe" are from your government. In fact the European union is throwing overboard regulations at an incredible speed, simply look at aerospace (EASA vs the old regulations) or traffic regulations. Things became so much simpler the last years, because of the EU, daily dozens of pages of regulations are scrapped. Your examples are outdated and the nice thing is that many regulations are discussed beforehand with groups of interest and industries. Thus the EASA and car regulations became much simpler and more fitted to reality. I've dealt a lot with the EU (JSF-project, work, political activities) and they're way more efficient than the Dutch, German or French government...
Common Auto I now that first of April is coming, but a few days left.Of course your politicians tell you differently so they don't get the blame for it...
Interest of which groups companies or citizens? It seems that they care more about first....nice thing is that many regulations are discussed beforehand with groups of interest and industries.
And, what is it change?, a friend of mine was one of a key member of political campaign of one politician who became MP, I had a lot of fun about it, I never liked that politician, he represented the right side of the political scene, funny story is that they found some papers on him later, he was cooperating with commies before 1990:gig:I've dealt a lot with the EU (JSF-project, work, political activities
Socialism is when the means of production(business) are owned by the state. The state will say: "the people own the company". Give me a break, do you have any vote in the operation of "your" state owned enterprise? No.A lot of people who complain about socialism don't really know what it is.
I'm against coercion, but money can be coercion too, and we don't get to vote for the corporations.
You guys have a wrong imagination of real socialism (communism), in socialism everybody is equal (of course only theoretically), for example here during seventies or sixties, (don't remember exactly I was reading about it), during kind of starvation in Russia, commies were taking pigs, cows from our farmers, for example if farmer had 40 pigs, they were taking 20 of them, of course they didn't pay for that, and nobody cares about our farmers, will the survive only with 20 pigs or not, etc. So even if our farmers were working really hard, our shops looked like that. I've heard many stories from my parents.Socialism is when the means of production(business) are owned by the state. The state will say: "the people own the company".
Well, if you only see what you want to see...Auto I wasn't going to reply to that, I'm very busy at the moment, but you forced me to that with your response, I want also underline that this is my LAST post here about UE (better known as a commie state).
UE is a commie state first, have you ever seen biography of the current UE commissars? A lot of them have COMMIES background, not socialist but COMMIES.
Just check out a few of them;
José Manuel Barroso, was one of the leader of the Maoist MRPP (Communist Party of the Portuguese Workers)
Catherine Ashton, was a member of the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament, which was financed by Moscow.
Stefan Füle was a member of Czechoslovak communist party, he studied in Moscow, maybe it doesn't mean anything for you, but I have a member in my family which also studied in Moscow (fortunately there is not blood relations) and believe me only commies were studying there.
Check out also others, I have no time for it.
What about a resolution against commies crimes in Europe, which was proposed by some of MP ( member of parliament), not every body were happy about it, there was no problem when commies proposed a resolution against Nazi crimes, Why? It's funny because commies are responsible for more victims than nazis. Uncle joe my as...
Nonsense. Europe wants to reduce emissions. Whether you like that or not is irrelevant, the majority of the voters want that and thus it happens. Since a reduction in coal power plants can achieve that that's done. If you don't like that, simply step out of the EU and isolate yourself...Just two samples I don't have time for more, first CO2 reduction, do you really want me to believe that, it was my government and only my government idea to reduce CO2 emissions. Just in case I want to say that about 90% of the electricity here is produced from COAL power stations. They want to force us to build some nuclear power stations ( generally idea isn't bad but I don't like the method which they use). Of course it's all about money it seems that French guys will make some money ( they want to sell us their technology).
Yes, so what? Many companies here went bankrupt as well. They should have saved money for better times. Why do you think our shipping yards are still running great?Our shipyards, in one of them worked one well known person, (mr. Walesa, I believe I don't need to introduce him).
UE commission forbidden my government to help them, they said if my government give any money to shipyards from MY TAXES, they will have to pay big fine, funny story is that is same time other governments German and others, were supporting their falling banks, (similar to what Obama did in th US).
They you're only seeing what you want to see. I've given you the examples, EASA for example. First go look in there before you have nothing but complaints without support..Interest of which groups companies or citizens? It seems that they care more about first.
You guys were unlucky to be on the wrong side when the US and Russia raced for Berlin. If you still have communist roots in politics, simply vote for those that weren't "wrong" back then, that's democracy.Just in case if you are wondering why we are in EU, personally I want historical justice, we didn't have Marshall plan after WWII, we were sold and abandon (Yalta, Teheran), despite ours sacrifice during WWII, BOB, Monte Cassino, Tobruk, Falaise pocket,etc.(we had third biggest army in west after, US Army and UK Army) At the moment we are getting more from UE, than we are paying, so it's ok, I tolerate it.
That will probably degrade you to a 3rd world country (as it would us). While the EU may have problems and drawbacks the economical benefit is huge and stepping out of the EU would be unwise to say the least.BTW. Didn't they chose UE president in the last months, they want also to create one common foreign policy, I bet they also think about one common UE government. Remember we were first out of Commies State, and we will be first out of UE.
P.S sorry for my English, but I had last time book with English grammar in my hands about 2 years ago, I don't have time for it, if you don't understand something read it 2-3 times and you should get it. It usually works for me.
------------Socialism is when the means of production(business) are owned by the state. The state will say: "the people own the company". Give me a break, do you have any vote in the operation of "your" state owned enterprise? No.
On the other hand, you can vote for your favorite corporation with every dollar you spend. If you don't like a corporation then buy from another. State owned enterprises are monopolies and you have no choice or alternative.
Until there is actually a truly Free market...the gripes on capitalism are unfounded...Dave wrote:
"Would you trade the elimination of your favorite Government program for the complete elimination of the Income Tax and the IRS?"
I certainly would not. I don't like cholera.
There are, of course, non-governmental ways to accomplish the same goal... Why is it that so many think that just because Government has "always" done something...that Government is the best or only way to do it...
Perfect Example: (And one most would think it impossible to argue against... the USDA Food Stamp Program)
The USDA FSP is only 15% EFFICIENT.....that is only 15% of its budget actually goes out the door as Food Stamps to feed poor people...the rest feeds the **** bureaucrats....
Here in Asheville NC we have a charity that feeds the poor...it is 94% efficient... I can give up half as much of my money to them instead of the USDA and feed multitudes more...
You could probably argue that some of the countries in Europe are rather socialist, but are you really going to say that Nixon and Ford were? If so, then probably it's fair to call Obama that as well.
This is assuming there is a difference between the right and left wings of the Demopublican Party...both want to control our lives and steal our money...
Really, you have a choice of government by corporation or government by government. I pick the latter>
If the Government would not build barriers to entry...this would not be a problem...
Health Insurance would not be nearly as expensive if there was not some Government Agency there to say who gets to be an insurance company...then there would be all kinds of competition...kind of like what happened in the telecom business...! We now have 3 smartphones in our house...and our total telecom bill is significantly less than it was for the old single landline and long distance bill was 20 years ago...
"In capitalism, man exploits man. In Communism, it's the other way around."
-a Russian guy I knew
The local airport here is socialist. It has the power to tax every county land owner and they do tax us. I pay a property tax for the airport like every other land owner. The airport managers are paid a high salary with benefits about 5 times more than the average income of the local property tax payers.I don't see a lot of state owned production here, though of course there's stuff like highways. Even on those, most of the work is contracted out. Plenty of state owned destruction, I suppose.
There was a one guy, you must heard about him, his name was karl marx, do you remember what he said? If you don't I'll remind you Democracy is a road to socialism., you think that democracy is cool, right? I don't. Democracy is ruled by majority, but the problem is that 80% peoples of each community are like sheep, they vote for people which they see in TV (ask yourself who own TV). There is only one politician which I like and which I trust, unfortunately there is only one interview with him with English subtitles (he's a libertarian).autoreply said:You might not like that, but that's democracy, not communism..
Who actually wants, I don't remember any referendum about CO2 reduction nobody ask me about it (probably it wasn't the best example with CO2 emission, but it shows mechanism, state make decision for their citizen because thinks it' s better for them,and I'm getting tired of it, I had a very funny accident a few weeks ago, those idiots from social insurance lost my papers, they said to me that i wasn't insured for last 3 years and have to pay a fine 2000$ :roll:, of course I was insured, but I think it's my private business, they force us to it, the funniset part is that usually I go to private doctors anyway so I have to pay two times, for ^% social insurance because I MUST , and for private doctors because they are better and I don't need to wait 2-3 weeks ), you probably knows that China is probably the biggest producer of C02, maybe we should invaded them? The funny story is that probably in one week they produce more CO2 than entire UE in one year.Nonsense. Europe wants to reduce emissions. Whether you like that or not is irrelevant,
You didn't get what I said, the problem is that my government couldn't help them, because UE commission forbid it. So in short UE telling my government what they can do and what they can't.Yes, so what? Many companies here went bankrupt as well
You don't get it, they bankrupt because they were victim of communism.They should have saved money for better times. Why do you think our shipping yards are still running great?
Not necessary, if we step out now, maybe, but if we wait 10-20 years I don't think so, check out Switzerland, Norway, (of course there is a difference between us and them, we did a big step during those 20 years, and i think we going in right direction, wasn't my country only one UE country in 2009 with positive grow, all others were in recession ?) keep also in mind that in the next 30-40 years some of European countries might became an Islamic Republics.That will probably degrade you to a 3rd world country (as it would us). While the EU may have problems and drawbacks the economical benefit is huge and stepping out of the EU would be unwise to say the least.
That's probably a difference between us, I'm not a nationalist but I'm a patriot (that's why I really like guys in US, you can see USA banner on their planes, cars etc, they are really proud of it) I prefer to have not perfect own government, than "perfect" foreign. We had one in Moscow for 40 years, we don't want new one, that's probably a difference between us.I still have the opinion that the EU is more efficient at many matters than most local government are.
Poznan about 150km from German border, I propose also to finish this discussion, before Orion or other moderator lose patience, it's completely unrelated to this forum, maybe we can speak about it one day, I have a big family in Aachen, maybe I could visit you , when I go there next time.Where exactly do you live by the way? I know about 20 of your countryman, but because of our mutual interests we might actually mutually know some people
There was. Try the US circa turn of the century. Ever read "The Jungle"? Worker abuses, child labor, horrific working conditions, tainted food, the works. That's what happens when you completely get rid of regulation and make a market truly "free" - with no punishment for slipshod service, then everyone will try to do things the cheapest and easiest way possible. Oh, you might say that those people would go out of business then because someone would bring a better product; not true. Why improve if you can just make it cheaper? And why bother improving if everyone else can make it twice as bad but twice as cheap?Until there is actually a truly Free market...the gripes on capitalism are unfounded...
That's the bottomline in this discussion. You don't like the EU. Most of your countryman do however and they have good reasons to, notably the dozens of billions of euro's that go your way. According to several articles 75% of the Polish supported the Polish membership of the EU. Hence, that's democracyYou didn't get what I said, the problem is that my government couldn't help them, because UE commission forbid it. So in short UE telling my government what they can do and what they can't.
Norway is facing serious financial problems in the future and Switzerland is approaching the EU very quickly because they were seriously hurt by not being in the EU. (Schengen, all kind of international and financial treaties and so on)Not necessary, if we step out now, maybe, but if we wait 10-20 years I don't think so, check out Switzerland, Norway, (of course there is a difference between us and them.
You're more than welcome to come by, as are the other people in this discussionPoznan about 150km from German border [...] maybe we can speak about it one day, I have a big family in Aachen, maybe I could visit you , when I go there next time.