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Armilite

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Instead of trying to Build a Plane from someone else's Plans, which usually have some faults account they Designed it for themselves, not the World, and many were not Aerospace Engineers. Why not Design your own Plane to fit your needs. Many of these Planes can be Upgraded.
 

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Instead of trying to Build a Plane from someone else's Plans, which usually have some faults account they Designed it for themselves, not the World, and many were not Aerospace Engineers. Why not Design your own Plane to fit your needs. Many of these Planes can be Upgraded.
It's a fair question. That type of thing is just not in my wheelhouse or desire at the current time in my life. Making parts is where I really find that I'm enjoying myself 100%. To add design is a complexity that I'm not wanting to undertake, maybe one day?

If I can get these wings done I'll jump on the fuselage and I'll need to figure out and design some means of stretching it about 3" for my legs which would drop my knees enough to fit. That is a big enough challenge for me design wise.

Again, maybe one day. For now I'm building ribs and having a lot of fun doing it.
 

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It's a fair question. That type of thing is just not in my wheelhouse or desire at the current time in my life. Making parts is where I really find that I'm enjoying myself 100%. To add design is a complexity that I'm not wanting to undertake, maybe one day?

If I can get these wings done I'll jump on the fuselage and I'll need to figure out and design some means of stretching it about 3" for my legs which would drop my knees enough to fit. That is a big enough challenge for me design wise.

Again, maybe one day. For now I'm building ribs and having a lot of fun doing it.
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Yea, I know what you mean. Today, we have more Engines than ever before for these Old Planes. Many Plans just need all the Update's that were made over the years added to them and then preserved as PDF files. Some Designs could still be updated or Improved upon. I always wanted to build a Quickey(Q1) only Bigger Scale to fit me and more People. With these 3D Printers and CNC Routers, Foam Cutters, Mills, it could be done. With a 22hp Onan was around 110mph. Plans Built. A Honda Type GX440 Single Cylinder would be ideal Engine today for one of these.
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I did not know you parted with your Cassutt?! I was hoping I would meet you one September in Reno. I sold Heatstroke in March'18. We are working on a SnoShoe for 2020. Good luck with the Smith.
It was a weak moment. Lol. Stupid is what it was.

Why did you sell Heatstroke?
 

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In order to make it a Gold class racer I would need to change to a tapered wing, cut down the turtle deck and canopy, new carbon tail, new engine mount and cowling, etc..... I figured it would be faster to build a new plane and not scrap a slab wing racer with race history. I was planning to selling it when the new racer was done but the opportunity to sell it early at a good price was too tempting. There should be several new tapered wing racers starting to race this year. Only the fastest 24 get to race, the rest pack it up. We have been lucky that nobody missed a race but there is about 28-30 that could show up to race any given year. I was able to gain 30 MPH from rookie year 2016 to 2017, it was going to be a lot harder to get much more speed without a lot more effort. I picked the low hanging fruit first....
 

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In order to make it a Gold class racer I would need to change to a tapered wing, cut down the turtle deck and canopy, new carbon tail, new engine mount and cowling, etc..... I figured it would be faster to build a new plane and not scrap a slab wing racer with race history. I was planning to selling it when the new racer was done but the opportunity to sell it early at a good price was too tempting. There should be several new tapered wing racers starting to race this year. Only the fastest 24 get to race, the rest pack it up. We have been lucky that nobody missed a race but there is about 28-30 that could show up to race any given year. I was able to gain 30 MPH from rookie year 2016 to 2017, it was going to be a lot harder to get much more speed without a lot more effort. I picked the low hanging fruit first....
I can understand that. Cheers to new adventures! Looking forward to updates.
 

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Woke up early this morning and built a plywood box to imitate the Smith cockpit size. I'm 6' and actually fit quite well in most small airplanes. This was a bit tough though. The knees really are up in your face and awkward. The Cassutt was definitely more comfortable.
 

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Perhaps time to re-evaluate your decision to "scrap" the Cassutt fuselage. Maybe a one of a kind Cassutt built to your specs....You already have the table and some fixtures.....experience.....
Oh boy. I don't know if I have the grit to repeat the same thing over again. Who the heck were these people back in the day? 43" from firewall to back seat rest. Subtract a few inches for pedals. That's insanity!!!!!

I'm still building a wing for the wall. I'm finishing that part no matter what just because it's a blast.

Maybe by the time I finish a wing for the wall I'll have some sense of what I'm going to do. In the meantime.....keep building.
 

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Had a little time to re-mock up the cockpit. I would need that firewall to move forward 5 more inches to really be comfortable.

Is it worth trying to figure this out or just move forward with a different design? I don't know. That much of a stretch might look goofy on a Smith.
 

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Had a little time to re-mock up the cockpit. I would need that firewall to move forward 5 more inches to really be comfortable.

Is it worth trying to figure this out or just move forward with a different design? I don't know. That much of a stretch might look goofy on a Smith.
If I were you, I would look for something different that has dimensions that meet your needs, or allow a few tubes to be shifted without seriously changing the CG and overall configuration.


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First, all these legacy designs are cramped. Designed when comfort was an afterthought. The Pitts was lengthened 3” twice if measured from #1. 3” from #1 to make the short S1-C and then 3” to the long C and S/T. My Starduster one is no better. I made the mistake of not leaning the seat back. I am adjusting the pedals forward at the cables. For a Smith I would lengthen the nose 2” and the tail 3” and move the seat back 2” and recline it 2”. No one would ever know and whoever bought it down the road will love you. Probably any legacy design I would have to think through like this. Probably the AcroSport 1 is the only single seat that is going to be ok. I would still test the size and recline the back some.
 

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Did some horse trading. Cessna 140/120 gear, wheels, brakes etc.

I have a set of old Stits Playboy plans and they cut these gear up for that. It's not a bad sized airplane overall. Cockpit it decent size. I'm not saying that's my goal but I'm also not gonna pass that up either.

Gonna build a plywood OSB box this weekend replicating the cockpit and see how I fit.

I'd post photos but the site isn't letting me for some reason.
 

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A friend has a Playboy just about ready to fly again. The gear is quite nice how it’s designed. I’m not quite sure why it was not stolen more often for other designs. I have not sat in it. My friend is taller than me. He use to own my Starduster.
 
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