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Well, okay, just trying to help. Kind of the whole point of sharing on a forum.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with making parts, if your goal is to become a master at making parts, or in this case, to make a wing with your kids..

There is one hard thing I've learned from this place in my 1000+ posts, and it's kind of an elementary but dead simple with some wisdom behind it. It took a long time actually to sink in. Maybe I'm kind of hardheaded, maybe it's because the simplest lessons are the hardest to learn.

If you make posts, you'll get posts.
If you take pictures, you'll get pictures.
If you make parts, you'll get parts.
If you build a trailer, you'll get a trailer.
If you build a plane, you'll get a plane.

I made a thousand posts, took a thousand pictures... and got, a thousand posts, a thousand pictures. I could of just as well of been wrenching on an airplane, and got an airplane. Which is why I'm rather scarcer around here now, because 1000+ is enough for me.


Your goal may be to become an expert at aircraft fabrication. Nothing wrong with striving for mastery at all.

My own goal is rather different, to fly, by hook or by crook, by any means possible.

If a sweet old guy were to say to me, hey, Choppergirl, I'm 90 years old, I got two cateracts in my eyes, I can't fly any more, you can have my beloved plane in my barn, I know you'll take care of her and fly her like a bat out of heck like I did in my 20's, but you only have to promise me if when you get to old to fly, you pass it on to someone else...

I'd be like, shortcut! Boom, I'm there. You got a deal! See you guys!

If your goal is not to fly, but to make parts... bond with your kids, become a fabrication master... then alright then.
We know then what your goals are.'

So, if you want parts, make parts!

Heck, even, make parts for other people. You'd be challenged by plans from all sorts of different planes...

I'm missing 20 wing ribs on my plane. I've never made wing ribs in my life. Probably a simple affair, bending them in a jig. But if someone were to say to me, hey, I'll make your wing ribs, and charge you for the materials plus a little extra... because I simply love doing it... it would give me pause for thought, and I'd seriously consider it and say.. okay!
In the time it took you to write that post I made Mahoney nose ribs, shot a video, explained to my kids how to be safe, use tools, how to work for things in life that you want, how to have patience, how to think, how to solve problems. I did all that while you were typing.

Please stop. You're hung up on why and I'm way way past that point. It's sorta like being half way up My Everest and you're that person complaining about why it's a bad idea to climb Everest. That person almost always dies on the mountain having never accomplished it.

Again, for the third time. I'm asking you to stay on topic of the ACTUAL wing. Because you haven't made any airplane parts it's hard to contribute but please try.

One day, many years from now, somebody somewhere might benefit from these videos and this thread. THAT is my reward. I realize that might be hard for you to understand but THAT truly is my reward. I'm hours away from Monday morning where I will be getting up early, being a dad, running a business and doing my thing. Regardless of your opinion on how I spend my time it will not change. I read your opinion, I respected you enough to read it.

Now, can we stick to building airplane parts on the world's largest home building forum in a thread designed to document my hobby for the benefit of anyone interested in building?

Remember something, I'm actually building right now. What are you doing? Thousands of posts like you mentioned are something I've done as well. Just remember, I've also built a crap load of airplane parts, forged relationships, went flying, etc etc.

Have you considered your looking at this through the wrong lens? Because that's an option as well. You could be wrong.
 

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In the time it took you to write that post...
The twelfth commandment, on that third tablet that Moses dropped and shattered on the way down the mountain, was "Feedeth Not The Troll." Just sayin'. ;)

Keep on with your parts-building, Mike. Much more interesting to those interested in homebuilding.
 
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The twelfth commandment, on that third tablet that Moses dropped and shattered on the way down the mountain, was "Feedeth Not The Troll." Just sayin'. ;)

Keep on with you're parts-building, Mike. Much more interesting to those interested in homebuilding.
Fresh coffee on, video uploading, parts being made right now my friend. Really having fun here today.
 

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Video #4

In this video I put to use the temporary router table, I make a router pattern for the nose ribs and end with making a completed part from scrap.

[video=youtube_share;SymNTT0n8Lc]https://youtu.be/SymNTT0n8Lc[/video]
 

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Mike. the wing your building is a Hershey bar type regarding all ribs are of the same length and a jig such as yours works well for those ribs. I would like to see an approach on building a jig for a tapered wing were either the trailing edge is tapered or both leading and trailing edges have a taper. I've done model planes using foam ribs and it was easy to accomplish by root rib and tip rib patterns made to guide hot wire. It would be cool if a person can design a jig to get the same result with ply ribs. I see a root jig plate and tip jig plate joined together Via threaded rod and shaping done by a drum sander but what if every rib is truss built like yours? it would be nice not to have to build a separate jig for every rib but I have yet to figure out a way around just that problem. Any thoughts? Don
 

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Mike. the wing your building is a Hershey bar type regarding all ribs are of the same length and a jig such as yours works well for those ribs. I would like to see an approach on building a jig for a tapered wing were either the trailing edge is tapered or both leading and trailing edges have a taper. I've done model planes using foam ribs and it was easy to accomplish by root rib and tip rib patterns made to guide hot wire. It would be cool if a person can design a jig to get the same result with ply ribs. I see a root jig plate and tip jig plate joined together Via threaded rod and shaping done by a drum sander but what if every rib is truss built like yours? it would be nice not to have to build a separate jig for every rib but I have yet to figure out a way around just that problem. Any thoughts? Don
Boy, that's another tough question for me. I've never actually thought about that.

Besides a Waco Taperwing what other airplane wing uses stick built ribs?

I don't own any Starduster plans, what kind of ribs do they use?

If the spar centerline's remain parallel the only thing that would change would be either the leading edge or trailing edge. That's a tough one because each rib would be custom.
 

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Imagine a Hatz Taperwing modeled after the Waco Taperwing. Now that would be a unique project, I don't think that's ever been done?

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Boy, that's another tough question for me. I've never actually thought about that.

Besides a Waco Taperwing what other airplane wing uses stick built ribs?

I don't own any Starduster plans, what kind of ribs do they use?

If the spar centerline's remain parallel the only thing that would change would be either the leading edge or trailing edge. That's a tough one because each rib would be custom.
Starduster SA 300 wood wings with a lot of rib work. sure would be nice to find a faster efficient way to get those curvy wings built. EAA biplane wood Hershey bar wings nice to build because of single rib jig.
 

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Boy, that's another tough question for me. I've never actually thought about that.

Besides a Waco Taperwing what other airplane wing uses stick built ribs?
On a 'lighter' scale, the Mitchell Wing B-10 ultralight and the Mitchell Wing U2 (not quite ultralight) use built up stick ribs with almost every one being a different size. The way Don Mitchell said to do it was lay the print on a board and put finishing nails along the outer edge line of the rib being built to hold the capstrip in place. Build a right/left rib, pull the nails and move them to the next line. Lather, rinse, repeat.
 

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IIRC the Starduster wing rib is the same forward of the rear spar. The trailing edge ribs were all different.
 
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Video #5 is uploaded.

As I get closer to making the first rib I'm contemplating whether or not to make all the ribs for the entire Biplane or just the few I need for the 1 lower wing. I'm still not sure.

I made this thread so I can document some cool random parts until I figure out what airplane I'd like to fully commit to. I still haven't figured that out so I guess I'll keep making wing parts until I do.

So I'm not sure. Do I make a few ribs and make one wing panel or knock out all 30 ribs for the whole airplane while the iron is hot? We'll see I guess.

This video is short, it shows how I dealt with a two part router pattern for aileron cove.

[video=youtube_share;ztf3ifz_guo]https://youtu.be/ztf3ifz_guo[/video]
 

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I say build all the ribs, but when you got enough for your wing panel, do a wing rib when you don’t feel like messing with the panel. There will be those days. I know of a Smith that does need wings. It was in a flood so I would not trust them. I believe you should build the whole thing or art, but if you don’t want to keep it/ them, there may be opportunity.
 

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I say build all the ribs, but when you got enough for your wing panel, do a wing rib when you don’t feel like messing with the panel. There will be those days. I know of a Smith that does need wings. It was in a flood so I would not trust them. I believe you should build the whole thing or art, but if you don’t want to keep it/ them, there may be opportunity.
Sounds like the plan I'm gonna go with.

I have no intention or desire to build the upper wing but it feels wrong to not make the parts because it doesn't take that much longer.

It would kinda screw up the video series of I didn't make at least one upper rib because they are unique.
 
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