Mazda Fatality

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    TXFlyGuy

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    Of interest is the Mazda powered T-51D Mustang that had a fatal crash in NZ recently. The problem appears to be engine related. Photos of the crash scene make it look like the pilot should have simply walked away from it. The aircraft fuselage looks intact, and resting in a flat, level attitude.

    The Mazda engine is not supported, nor is it recommended by the Titan Aircraft Company.

    The current engine of choice is the LS3 6.2 V8. While they still support the Honda V6, and Suzuki V6.
     
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    Not good. Shoulder harness should be set snug for takeoff and landing.


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    Come on, you can not just say that. Where are the details? Where do they get that it was engine related? In almost any crash, you will find witnesses that say they heard it sputter or saw flames...

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    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11731113



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    Very true.
    Helps if the belly is rounded to prevent "plowing" in soft earth. Hard to say what the impact angle was.
    Witness said the engine stopped at 20 meters.
     
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    It is pretty much agreed that the cause of death was the impact to the pilot's head. The reports from people at the scene was that the engine quit, after climbing to an altitude of 50 to 75 feet. Thus, the engine stoppage was a contributing factor. It is not known why the engine quit. Fuel pump? Electrical? But it did quit, at a most inopportune time.

    A flight helmet most likely would have saved him. The big questions are...was his shoulder harness in place? Was it tight, or loose? Did the entire seat fail?

    I know of a couple T-51 crashes which were more violent than the one here. In both cases, the pilots walked away. And both of these crashes were engine and/or propeller related.
     
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    On an side note, only two T-51's have been powered by Mazda engines. Both of them ended up crashing.
     
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    Sad to hear.

    The Mazda was a rotary engine?

    Also, hard to tell if a crash is survivable just from the wreckage. High vertical forces are almost always fatal. Conversely, I've seen some planes absolutely demolished where the pilot climbed out a of pile of splinters, dusted himself off and walked away.
     
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    There's more than one scenario being considered.
     
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    My understanding was initial inspection of the engine found no obvious failure.
     
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    Without telling us what failed, we really know nothing more about how the accident happened. Really, the engine quit and it was a Mazda, so we should avoid Mazda's? Look it could have been switches, electrical, fuel delivery, ignition, all things that ALL planes have.
     
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    Even if an engine fails, it should not kill you, right? You should be able to glide back to earth and skid or slide along the ground until you stop... or land on your landing gear.

    It looks to me he's still at the airport, on unmowed (high) airport grass, there is a plane in the background.
     
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    There is no wreckage. The plane is in one piece; this crash should've been survivable. Then again, what do I know.
     
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    Why I wear a helmet when flying these little airplanes. I do not want to have an issue and the only reason I died was because of head injury. People believe they should wear a helmet riding a motorcycle but will not wear one flying an a small airplane were one is really close to the dash or panel.
     
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    I know a man who this happened to and his airplane looked just as this one. He did not survive either.
     
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    A good friend of mine, and fellow United pilot, never gets in his NA P-51D Mustang without the following:

    Flight helmet
    Full nomex flight suit
    Flight boots
    Nomex gloves
    Nomex undergarments

    After seeing the photos here, a full flight suit/helmet is in my future.
     
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    Anything to put the odds in your favor are worthwhile.
     
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    Rather than just saying something like that as a simple statement, it would be better if you could supply some details about the crashes. It implies that the engines were responsible without actually saying that they are. If the engines are responsible, I think everyone would be interested in why they caused the crash. On the other hand if they are not at fault, it would be good to know that too.
     

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