# LSA Weight to be 3600 Pounds soon !!!

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#### crusty old aviator

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Back in the 90's, some FAA guy who had only airline experience was turned loose on a couple of GA fields in the Los Angeles basin. He was writing up tied down, derelict aircraft without wings, props, engines, tires half-rotted away, you name it. The monthly newspaper, Pacific Flyer, got wind of it and sent out a photographer: they had a lot of fun with that one! Oh heck: I'm OT again...3600 pound LSA! Wait for it!

#### Pops

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I always leave the compass correction card off. This provides an enthusiastic inspector with something to write on the form, and justification to issue a very stern safety warning.
I also always leave something obvious so to justifies his existence.

#### FlyingMantis

##### New Member
I have a pretty mild mental illness(no meds needed, not even therapy), and was told point blank by no less than all three of the docs I inquired about this at Oshkosh this year I shouldn't even try to get it. They told me that even if it's mild, not on FAA's disqualifying list, or any list for that matter, that getting past that would be literally impossible. They said go LSA and don't look back. So it's not the "golden arrow" most were hoping it would be and only really works for folks who let their medical lapse so they could keep on flying their aircraft. As a matter of fact, despite all the ballyhooing of it when it was released, I'm not reading/hearing much about it at all anymore. I'm not too surprised.
I am wanting to get back into aviation after a 20 year hiatus (I have about 50 hours in a C172, but I never finished my PPL). I went to an AME for a consult last month on what it would take to pass a 3rd class medical. Since my 3rd class medical 20 years ago, I started taking a med for anxiety that has really helped me. It has ZERO impact on my ability to operate a car, airplane, or any <insert human operated machinery here>. It's on the FAAs approved list of drugs too. But, the AME told me I would need to spend thousands of dollars to get some sort of special psychiatric exam to prove things to the FAA. And, on top of that, he told me I would probably have to get a less expensive exam done every year or so after that. He also mentioned he would not allow me to do BasicMed. I'd have to get a full 3rd class medical every 2 years. I'm questioning whether or not he has the authority to do that and if self-preservation was coming into play there.

After all that, I'm just sticking to Sport Pilot privileges. Thankfully, there are a couple schools here in my area that have LSAs for training so I can complete it. I just need to lose a little weight now before training due to gross weight limitations (I'm 250 now...need to get down to 220 or so).

#### dragon2knight

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I am wanting to get back into aviation after a 20 year hiatus (I have about 50 hours in a C172, but I never finished my PPL). I went to an AME for a consult last month on what it would take to pass a 3rd class medical. Since my 3rd class medical 20 years ago, I started taking a med for anxiety that has really helped me. It has ZERO impact on my ability to operate a car, airplane, or any <insert human operated machinery here>. It's on the FAAs approved list of drugs too. But, the AME told me I would need to spend thousands of dollars to get some sort of special psychiatric exam to prove things to the FAA. And, on top of that, he told me I would probably have to get a less expensive exam done every year or so after that. He also mentioned he would not allow me to do BasicMed. I'd have to get a full 3rd class medical every 2 years. I'm questioning whether or not he has the authority to do that and if self-preservation was coming into play there.

After all that, I'm just sticking to Sport Pilot privileges. Thankfully, there are a couple schools here in my area that have LSAs for training so I can complete it. I just need to lose a little weight now before training due to gross weight limitations (I'm 250 now...need to get down to 220 or so).
At least we have an option or two (there's always ultralights). Could be worse! Do I like being pigeon holed? Nope. But again, at least I CAN fly.

#### TFF

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Basic Med is more complicated than that. Any MD can sign you off for Basic Medical. Unless you got a Dr buddy, they probably won’t because there happens to be a specialist. In their world, you are suppose to refer to the specialist. Or pass the buck. For you to get a Basic Medical, you have to get a Class 3 first. You have been inactive too long, per the rules, to just get a Basic Medical without a regular medical.

#### BJC

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I'm questioning whether or not he has the authority to do that and if self-preservation was coming into play there.
Look into joining the AOPA (you will get a monthly magazine with lots of shiny advertisements) and pay the extra for their aeromedical advocacy service. They have a name for it, but I don’t know what it is. Share all of your history and information with them. They will give you the best answer of what your options are. It may seem expensive, but you want to do your very best to get a 3rd class medical that will then allow you to use basic med.

BJC

#### Turd Ferguson

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But, the AME told me I would need to spend thousands of dollars to get some sort of special psychiatric exam to prove things to the FAA. And, on top of that, he told me I would probably have to get a less expensive exam done every year or so after that. He also mentioned he would not allow me to do BasicMed. I'd have to get a full 3rd class medical every 2 years. I'm questioning whether or not he has the authority to do that and if self-preservation was coming into play there.
The doctor has no say over your privilege to exercise BasicMed option. However, you would need to obtain a Class III FAA medical at least one time before you could proceed. If I wanted to go that route I'd contact Individual Assistance - AMAS and ask how to proceed. The initial consult is $70 and can always ask for an estimate for the total cost once a plan is formulated. One you get a Class III, just let it expire and go BasicMed. Last edited: #### Toobuilder ##### Well-Known Member Log Member A class III requires little more of the applicant than the ability to fog a mirror 5 out of 10 times. Unless there is some medical history in your past that should not come to light, fill out the application, fog the mirror, then go basic med in the future. #### Daleandee ##### Well-Known Member After all that, I'm just sticking to Sport Pilot privileges. Thankfully, there are a couple schools here in my area that have LSAs for training so I can complete it. I just need to lose a little weight now before training due to gross weight limitations (I'm 250 now...need to get down to 220 or so). I went Sport Pilot and it really works for me. Thank the Lord I'm in pretty good shape for an old guy and take no meds. I just don't want to have to deal with the whole medical situation that the FAA would run me through for privileges I'll never use. Sure, I'm limited to 10K, only get to fly with one passenger, and fly at a slower 120 knot speed but I'm good with all of that. I could go private and fly in the dark and the clouds but I can't afford an airplane that I'd fly in the dark or in the clouds. #### narfi ##### Well-Known Member I just need to lose a little weight now before training due to gross weight limitations (I'm 250 now...need to get down to 220 or so). I highly recommend it, not just for gross weight considerations, but your own health and feeling towards life. Last fall I was 264lbs turned 40 and had spent my entire life obese(by the books, but self proclaimed actively obese, as in I had no problems playing basketball with the kids and doing normal life activities) Now I am 172-175lbs, and my approach to life is so much different, I never realized how much my weight affected my energy levels and ability to be productive. Now I can wake up early and go all day long feeling good, I don't feel the need to sleep in, or lay around the house after work, etc.... all that wasted time I could have been productive my entire life wasted :/ Count calories, lift weights, walk lots, eat lots of protein. The pounds will burn off and you will feel amazing. #### Hephaestus ##### Well-Known Member I got knocked down to rec pilot permit (Canada) after the medical appeals process. It's not so bad, at least I get to keep flying... Beats the alternative. Luckily were a bit less restrictive here. The daytime vfr part kind of sucks after just recently getting IFR (however, since examiner was consulted, probably key in keeping some form of pilots license). Worst is the no cross-border until FAA gets its stuff together. #### Pilot-34 ##### Well-Known Member Does the flight physical third class that you need to qualify for the basic med physical have to be valid on July 15 or taken after July 15? #### Turd Ferguson ##### Well-Known Member Have to have held any class of medical after July 14, 2006. #### Pilot-34 ##### Well-Known Member So be valid after July 14th qualifies as “held” #### TFF ##### Well-Known Member It all depends on the AME On how tough it’s going to be. I signed to basic medical because the guy I use to go to was trying to fail someone. He almost got me so I won’t be back. I had been to him many times before. He has a professional clientele but the FAA is on him and he has had to automate some things that make it pass fail. There is another that will not be a problem but he is 70 miles away out in the country. Got the basic right now. #### PagoBay ##### Well-Known Member I am wanting to get back into aviation after a 20 year hiatus (I have about 50 hours in a C172, but I never finished my PPL). I went to an AME for a consult last month on what it would take to pass a 3rd class medical. Here is a 47 or so long discussion on this subject at the AOPA Forum. A doctor provides a step by step and a few AME's are suggested that know how to work through the FAA system. It is easy to give the FAA too much information. Seems the FAA medical reviewers like to deny and override knowledgeable physicians. Don't be distracted by the error in "arctic" versus "aortic". #### robertl ##### Well-Known Member The doctor has no say over your privilege to exercise BasicMed option. However, you would need to obtain a Class III FAA medical at least one time before you could proceed. If I wanted to go that route I'd contact Individual Assistance - AMAS and ask how to proceed. The initial consult is$70 and can always ask for an estimate for the total cost once a plan is formulated. One you get a Class III, just let it expire and go BasicMed.
I would not just let it expire, if you do, you have to do it all over again, that's what I was told when I got a special issuance 3rd class. As soon as I got my 3rd class back, I went Basicmed.
Bob

#### Mark Z

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I’m going the other direction with opportunity to traverse the flight levels. After a bout with lymphoma I let my class 2 expire and spent 3 years with basic med. My final documents should see the FAA’s hands Tuesday and on their schedule I hope to have a new second class in my pocket. However, I’m thinking I’ll run a BM at the same time. What harm can there be?

#### geraldmorrissey

##### Member
Knew a guy once that bought a Luscombe brand new, took some lessons, soloed and flew the plane out to his chicken farm south of Wichita. For the next 40 years he flew all over the US. No medical, annual inspections or insurance ever. He treated the plane like a farm implement, not pretty but well maintained. No ramp checks either. He's long gone now but I often think of that guy.

#### robertl

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Knew a guy once that bought a Luscombe brand new, took some lessons, soloed and flew the plane out to his chicken farm south of Wichita. For the next 40 years he flew all over the US. No medical, annual inspections or insurance ever. He treated the plane like a farm implement, not pretty but well maintained. No ramp checks either. He's long gone now but I often think of that guy.
Same here, this guy, long gone now, kept his J5 Cub in a shed next to his country store, when he wanted to fly, he would taxie onto the hwy. and take off. He never completed his PPL, used auto gas with no STC and I don't think a mechanic ever laid hands on the plane.
Bob