Is there anything out there like this?

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  1. Aug 17, 2019 #1

    Ish Kabibble

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    I'm looking at the TAF Sling 2, the RANS S-19 Venterra, and the Vans RV-12 as a possible build, but I'm wondering if there isn't a single-seat out there in this same form, i.e. low wing, tri-gear, all-metal.

    Is there such a thing out there? And if it could be built to conform to the LSA restrictions, that would be even better!

    Thanks,

    Ish
     
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    A small engine RV-3 with a climb prop would qualify, as would a Panther.

    There are many European designs that qualify.

    Edit. I missed the tri gear, but ten minutes of flight instruction will address that, and be fun, too.

    BJC
     
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    I've been told by two different builders and a rep from Vans that it isn't possible to do the RV-3 as a tri-gear, as it would mess up the CG and balance. I'm not an engineer, so I didn't argue. A quick search about "Panther" aircraft, shows it's too high-performance and heavy to be LSA. And it's also not a tri-gear. Thanks.

    And regarding these other "European designs" are they a secret? Is there any reason why you avoided including enough information for me even to begin a search?

    Hmmmm?
     
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    Note that I edited my comments to indicate that, initially, I had missed the training wheel requirement.

    Both the Panther and the RV-3 can be built to comply with LSA criteria.

    Yes, I was busy being overly pessimistic about battery technology.


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    Ish Kabibble

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    It's clear to me that I am indeed not welcome here.

    And I don't willfully spend my time around people who are as supercilious and obnoxious as you are.
     
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    "It's clear to me that I am indeed not welcome here."


    You are very welcome. We have an ignore option.............
     
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    Mate,

    You are welcome and I can't see why you took a offence?

    However, this forum has heaps of variety in responses and ideas.

    If you do not like a opinion, just wait for another.
    We are a very broad group of experience and knowledge.

    But spitting the dummy first time a response is not what you sought is not a way to get help.

    Please try to be patient and civil.
    Good and safe pilots and builders have patience.
     
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    Are you forgetting that in a forum, folks who respond:

    Are volunteering their time and effort when they answer;
    Are generally trying to answer your question;
    As they have time;
    As they feel they can contribute;
    As they feel their knowledge will help;
    And in proportion to the quality of the questions and discussion leads.

    For example, "Is there such a thing?" That question can be fully answered with "yes" or "no". If you want a better answer, you really should follow up with a better question, not get all bitchy when the respondent goes beyond your question, but not where you would like.

    The person you are complaining about has over 9000 responses and nearly 6000 likes. He well regarded and has been very helpful to a wide variety of people.

    We each can apply the ignore function of this forum, including you if you want to. But why encourage someone to do so with you?

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    Were you referring to US LSA rules?
     
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    Gentlemen,

    Saying someone is using "training wheels" and telling them to just "get 10 minutes of instruction" does kinda come across as a bit mocking and rude.

    Honestly, and not trying to call anyone out or be a dick to anyone. This is just how it comes across.

    I understand most of our long time members come from cultures that allow mocking those less experienced and probably grew up being mocked as well, but in the majority of the world its considered extremely poor taste and poor judgment.

    Its probably a good idea to avoid anything that could be considered mocking others if you want new members to feel welcome on this forum.
     
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    I don't know what was meant by "ten minutes of flight instruction". o_O
     
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    Please review the post in question:
    If that is mocking and rude, I apologize.


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    Suggesting that a tailwheel endorsement could be quick and fun.


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    Ten minutes?
    I got an hour of tailwheel dual back in '74. But I think the usual now is 5 hours or more.
    The majority of my time is tailwheel. But for many reasons I prefer a nose wheel or skid.
     
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    Any particular reason you want all-metal? Lots of lovely wood designs out there, both old and new. Often is the cheaper way to go, if the all-metal design you're looking at is only available as a kit.

    True, many of them are conventional gear, but the transition difficulties are overblown, I think. I learned to fly on a Cessna 150, and transitioned to a Citabria as I built time for my license.

    You might put some thought into what engine you want. If you, for instance, want to put a Rotax 2-stroke on it, it'll cut your options down a bit.

    While I've been flying single-seat airplanes almost exclusively for the past ~32 years, two-seaters are much more popular, which leads to lower kit prices (due to larger sales) and MUCH better resale value, when the time comes. A Zenith 601 meets most of your criteria, except it's a two-seater, and there's a number of them out there.

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    I flew my first 15 hours in a 150 (CAP flight scholarship) then transitioned to a Citabria (trading janitorial work for flight time). I'd have to look at my logs, but I think I soloed the Citbria with ~20 hours total time, which would have been ~5 hours of dual. However, that dual included cross-country training, not just takeoffs and landings.

    Closest I've come (so far....) to a ground loop was when I was checked out in an O-1 Bird Dog, with ~200 hours TT, 180 hours taildragger. The CAP Bird Dogs were ratted-out ex-Army airplanes, and had some gear problems. The near-ground-loop actually occurred on my final checkout flight. I think the fact that I caught and corrected it before the instructor could probably led him to sign me off.....

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