# Parts WantedInformation request about Barnstormers / seller

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#### Tom DM

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Hello all,

Greetings from Brussels, Belgium.

Needing a midtime O-200a or C90-12F for my French experimental. A suitable engine was found on Barnstormers, information (logs and a video of a engine start) were received along with the data of the seller.

Yet now what?

Is there a procedure to verify the seller actually has the engine? And that it is in the stated condition? Is there a possibility that an inspection is carried out on that engine?
Barnstormers replied quicky to my request for information stating that the seller is a new advertiser on Barnstormers since 2022-03-08 and that they do not have any information about him yet.

Finally: the engine was retrieved from a damaged C150 of which I indeed found an accident report: the aircraft C150 landed apparently in a cornfield in 2019 while practicing landings. A bit strange is that the aircraft flew less that 10 hours from 2009-2019.

I am sorry if the above is not in the right section. If not I kindly ask the moderator to move it to the right place. I also do not know I am allowed to disclose here the data of the add / seller etc.

The engine is needed and normally I would collect it in person. There is however the question of that pond between Europe and the US... called the Atlantic Ocean.

Blue skies

#### Victor Bravo

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Careful, one of our group recently had a very serious loss of money because of a scam regarding an O-200. Contact Addicted2Climbing on this forum for details.

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#### Stolch

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Back when I was building my Zenith I tried to buy a Rotax 912 engine from a seller in Canada that advertised “refurbished” engines heavily on Barnstormers. Paid for the engine, thankfully with my credit card, but never received it as it was seized by US customs and the seller charged with attempted import duties fraud. I was questioned by Customs as well to determine if I was a willing participant in the fraud. Customs eventually determined I was not an international airplane engine smuggler and my credit card company refunded my money so it ended well but it took months to resolve. The seller avoided me pretty much the entire time once the engine was detained. After the Customs agent advised me that engine would never come into the US I decided not to look for any more “good deals“ and bought a new Rotax engine through Zenith. The peace of mind that new engine gives me each time I fly is worth more than the higher cost of taking a chance on a used one.
Just my one and last ever experience with Barnstormers. No doubt others have had more pleasant ones.

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#### Dana

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10 hours in 10 years is bad right there, unless the engine was pickled. And then a cornfield landing, which likely involved a prop strike... I'd be leery of this one even if it isn't a scam.

#### TFF

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All engines are crapshoots. Unless you get it from the factory, it’s all relative. I know someone who has an overhauled engine from Lycoming of Europe. It’s a piece of junk in my opinion. While they license the use of the Lycoming name and are official, the work done is just regular engine shop overhaul. It’s not the same as an engine overhaul from Pennsylvania.

What does a mid time engine really mean? The logbook is an accounting of time, but unless you are the one who put the time on, it’s just a number. It’s a betting number. The way I look at it is you put it on the plane, each hour is an hour you didn’t have to take it apart. It’s a little drastic to think of it like that, but you only know once you are flying it. I have installed a bunch of factory overhauled engines and three low time engines from damaged aircraft. One was a mess from storage and two were ok. I also know an old timer with a pile of engines. He has been sitting on them for 30 years. He will go with the log numbers when selling, but I have seen him change a crank in a A65 in one day and test fly. He is willing to dig in and fix. So the numbers have a magical value and have to be taken with a grain of salt.

Barnstormers isn’t Ebay. It’s usually a one time add of someone getting rid of something. If someone has multiple ads, it’s usually liquidation not for a living. A company is going to be based on the reputation.

#### Tom DM

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