Inexpensive, Easiest, Least Toxic Aircraft Paint

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  1. Jan 30, 2018 #1

    Wayne

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    Folks,
    I'm approaching the home stretch with my Cruzer build (I hope!!) and am going to be painting soon. I'm in a heated, shared, hangar right now but will be able to build a visqueen enclosure and will be able to rig some kind of ventilation exhaust but I'm going to have folks working in the hangar all around me.

    Is there a paint that meets the inexpensive/easy/low toxicity criteria that even an idiot like me can use? I'll have tons of compressed air and will be borrowing spraying gear. I can't afford to pay someone to do it.

    This is for an all Aluminum plane and it will be white. I'm going to use wrap graphics on it - most likely starting with a graphic timeline - the history of aviation from nose to tail. I like that idea as I think it will be fun for the Young Eagles kids and the Zenith is a flying billboard anyay.

    They painted the Access Aero plane with paint donated from Akzo - it seemed innocuous and cured amazingly. I think it is used on airliners. Grumpy does not like it though because you have to wait between coats.

    As always I'm looking forward to, and appreciate, your feedback.
     
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    If you’re planning on wrapping the whole plane, perhaps Stewart’s EcoPrime, a water-borne epoxy primer, and call it good? Then wrap over the top.
     
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    Check first.The primer might be too porous for the film to adhere.
     
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    Counterpoint: use the actual best stuff. I could be all wrong but toxicity is probably largely irrelevant if you're only doing it one time (unless it's the freaky cyanide paint that TVR used to use) and a cheap paint job normally shows. It sounds like you only want to paint it once, so use that as your guide to selecting paint.
     
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    Airliner paint is heavy. It's designed to go from 100 deg F to -25 and back down daily. Most of the ga airplanes are done with PPG car paint. I suggest you use it. I'm going to buck the spray booth option as long as you can keep dust from blowing in. I suggest base clear. Sprays easy, color sand the clear, polish, and you will have a better looking plane than most. Most of the work is elbow grease not skill. All paint is dangerous to breathe period. All modern paint is designed to be low to zero emissions when dry. Probably the most dangerous to breath is waterborne catalized paint. Old Un catalyzed laquer stinky paint as bad as people say it smells, can be practically poured on your corn flakes but worse for the environment. Your body can process the old stuff out.
     
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    I have primed several all aluminum aircraft with PPG's epoxy primer. Very easy to apply and sticks good and is tough.
     
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    Neat idea. Please post photos when you get there.


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    Dale, I saw your plane at CC31 (unfortunately didn't meet you though). Looks good. Thanks for sharing your method.
     
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    Thanks for the flowers ... it's a shame I missed shaking your hand!

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    I looked at the links.
    Just to understand, is this wet rolled and then immediately "dry" rolled? Is the idea to smear it down to a thin coat then apply multiple coats?
     
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    There are different ways it can be applied (rolled /sprayed) but your understanding is very close. Basically a wet roller is used to apply paint to a small area and then a dry (dryer) roller is used to "stretch" that paint over a larger area. When doing that the coat of paint becomes thin, almost as if it were sprayed on. You can watch it flow out. The method I used called for putting on one coat of paint per day i.e. 24 hours between coats of paint.

    Dale Williams
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    Signature Finish 2200 Paint Job
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    Member # 109 - Florida Sonex Association
     
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    Interesting. I think multiple thin coats are more crack resistant than one thick coat.
    Sort of like plywood.
     
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    Aircraft are toxic? Does “least toxic” meant one that is not coal powered? (My apologies to our West Virginia brethren.)
     
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    I'd be delighted to!
     
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    I like it! My metal wings could benefit from this process. Fabric will likely need a different approach. Did I read that they could do a color match?
     
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    When I built the SSSC, I painted it with Sherman Williams Krylon Urethane Enamel. Brushed 2 cross coats of the Krylon silver. Very large amount of silver and had to keep it stirred well. Brushed to work the paint in the fabric.
    Then used a 4" roller and rolled 2 cross coats of white with 8 tables spoons of black to get the shade of gray that I wanted. Used the roller in one hand and a good 2" brush in the other hand to pop the small bubbles in the paint from the roller. Thinned with MEK about 30%. It flows out and looks like it was sprayed. Painted in 2007 and looks like new today. I did a test panel first and beat on it with my fist and had other people do the same that came to my hanger for a long time. The test panel still looks new. I had $200 in the complete cover job. I wanted to paint the JMR the same way but Sherman Williams just puts the Krylon in spray cans now. Had the local SW dealer try to get me some but no luck.
    If any one knows where I can buy some please let me know, I'll buy a lifetime supply.

    Added-- I forgot to put in 2 inspection rings. Latter I tried to remove some paint down to the fabric to glue the rings. MEK will not touch it. Had to use a good strong paint stripper.
     
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    Yes. I sent Tom Fabula a color chip from Lowe's Home & Aviation store that my wife picked out for the orange and a piece of the green vinyl used for the N numbers. I thought the match was excellent.

    Dale Williams
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