ICON given green light to begin deliveries

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  1. Jun 18, 2015 #1

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    Well color me surprised my predictions were wrong.
    Looks like Icon's first delivery will be at Oshkosh. I figured they were a year away from a delivery. Looks like we have another aircraft in the market.

    ICON given green light to begin deliveries
     
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    Weren't they looking for a waver or exemption to the LSA weight a while back...?
     
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    Apparently they got it.
     
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    Mr. Hawkins probably wrote his petition for exemption on thousand dollar bills. ;)
     
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    Pfffffft, the Icon has been for sale since forever....
     
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    I bet they make more money on the licensing of those than they do the real airplanes.
     
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    With at least three different size R/C models on the market, until now it should be a safe bet.
    I think the R/C models have proved quite popular and sold well.
     
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    Ferrari make their big money out of merchandising, not the cars.
     
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    From Exemption No. 10829:

    So a wing-fold mechanism's mass can be added to the allowable MTOW. When you're busting an arbitrary MTOW limit by a couple hundred pounds, who cares, right? Same goes for all the other things listed. We should be allowed to increase our MTOW by the weight of an AOA indicator, interior panels too, according to another paragraph.

    I bet the MTOW of A5 could be easily legal LSA. Just reduce it to a single pilot. Make them play in the same sandbox. The regulators killed 'fat UL's. This is simply a 'fat LSA'.
     
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    ".....the FAA determined that requiring a commensurate reduction in the aircraft’s MTOW would have no appreciable positive or negative effect on level of safety afforded by this aircraft’s design and would not be in the public interest."

    This is little more than an admission by the FAA that the weight limits that have been imposed on LSA and part 103 do not in fact reduce the risk to the general public. We have all known for a long time that limiting the kinetic energy of the plane, or vehicle, was little more than a back door to limit performance and a convenience for the FAA to do field inspections to enforce compliance. Planes don't crash into people or things, especially outside of the traffic pattern, at cruise speed very often.

    Maybe to put a positive spin on this, as TinBender noted, we now have a precedent set to break the weight limit for any device not needed for flight that increases safety for the pilot and passengers?
     
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    Only if you're rich enough grease palms and have lawyers go argue your point for you.
     
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    Can't you leave me with the illusion/delusion that there is some sanity left in the FAA and our legal system!? Must you be so ........... realistic? :wail: :gig:
     
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    Yeah, all the icon models I've seen have been about 1.5 times as expensive as market trends and common sense indicate they should be, guess where all that money is going...
     
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    Wonder how much the recent injection of new investors money - what was it; $25 million? - went to "facilitate" that weight increase with the FAA. To push through such a fundamental diversion from the rules is highly suspect in my eyes. We usually need to fight decades to get the slightest concession past the FAA's obnoxiousness and this happens **** near overnight?? And yet we can't get a field approval from the local FSDO to put on different tires on a certified aircraft.:angry:
     
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    You can always get more done when you can sic expensive lawyers or pet Congress-critters on their bosses. That way you bypass all the gate-keepers and the preference of regulatory institutions to maintain the status quo or take the path of least resistance ("no").

    Power in bureaucracies are leveraged from the top down, not from the bottom (user) up. That is why societies with ruling elites favor them.
     
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    Can someone explain the unique physical constraints that spin-resistance presents?

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    I saw a lot of verbage about bigger sizes and weights. Perhaps redistribution solved that problem. Redistribution can solve lots of problems, and you don't have to modify the size and weight of all parts... just the wallet - shift a little excess mass from one to another.
     
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    No, but I have learnt these days that adding lots more weight to a plane makes it far safer.

    Apparently.
     
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