Icon A5 Update - No Deliveries!?!

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  1. Feb 8, 2019 #1141

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    Do they have a SLSA version currently available?
     
  2. Jun 17, 2019 #1142

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    Anyone have an update on Icon?

    Are they on-schedule with production rate and deliveries?

    Thanks,


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  3. Jun 17, 2019 #1143

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    What's your definition of "on-schedule"? Have they published one in the last 5 years?

    A search of the FAA registry turns up about 96 US registered A5's. 34 of those are still registered to ICON Aircraft, Inc., so I'll assume they're either on the production line, coming off the production line, ready for transfer to a customer, or in a showroom somewhere. The rest seem to be in customer's hands, so that's about 62. At OSH last year, I was told that the production line could handle about 15 - 20 units/mo., but the FAA's list seems to indicate no more than 5 - 10/mo. new registrations, with the last batch being from February. According to the FAA registry, about 40 aircraft were delivered to customers in 2018.

    Is that "on-schedule"? Who knows... Certainly not on the ORIGINAL claimed schedule or delivery rate - when I left in 2012, the plan was for 1000/yr., and then a couple years later, scaled back to an eventual 500/yr. But there was a ramp-up that was to take 2 - 3 years to reach that rate. Obviously either of those #'s is very aggressive, and just reaching 100 - 200/yr. would make them the largest LSA MFG by a large margin.
     
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  4. Jun 17, 2019 #1144

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    From an AvWeb article two years ago:
    So it seems that they did not produce 200 in 2018.


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  5. Jun 17, 2019 #1145

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    Here's a table of Icon "Production," based on the Year of Manufacture in the January 2019 FAA registration database.
    Year MFRNumber
    20141
    20152
    201613
    20175
    201834
    This list does not include aircraft with non-US registration, and there are 25 additional registration entries which do not list a year of manufacture. These may be just reserved N-Numbers.

    In addition, three Icons of the 2018 production batch have been dergistered, as well as two of the 2017 set.

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  6. Jun 17, 2019 #1146

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  7. Jun 18, 2019 #1147

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    The harder data point to check is how many went to an “icon flight training center” and how many actually went to an end user.
    I’d be curious to know how many production slot reservations and deposits were refunded or lost since inception. If you look at investor and funding turnovers it’s not been pretty, and they’ve received an amazing amount of new investments after they burn up the previous influx of capital. Over and over.
     
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    Actually, not difficult to determine. Here's the January 2019 registry. Note how many are still registered to Icon.
    N-NUMBERSERIAL NUMBERYEAR MFRREGISTERED OWNERCITYSTATE
    997BA0012008ICON AIRCRAFT INCVACAVILLECA
    715BA000012015ICON AIRCRAFT INCVACAVILLECA
    915BA000022015ICON AIRCRAFT INCVACAVILLECA
    232BA00019---ICON AIRCRAFT INCVACAVILLECA
    730BA000012014ICON AIRCRAFT INCVACAVILLECA
    237JK00001---ICON AIRCRAFT INCVACAVILLECA
    314KA000272018MOLAR LLCWILMINGTONDE
    324MN000242017NICE WILLIAM MICHAELPORT ORCHARDWA
    345DD000302018REGISTRATION PENDINGSAN FRANCISCOCA
    721BA000212017ICON AIRCRAFT INCVACAVILLECA
    418BA00069---ICON AIRCRAFT INCVACAVILLECA
    411BA00063---ICON AIRCRAFT INCVACAVILLECA
    413BA00066---ICON AIRCRAFT INCVACAVILLECA
    288PJ000342018REGISTRATION PENDINGLIVINGSTONTX
    84GJ000442018INTERNATIONAL AIR SERVICES INC TRUSTEECARSON CITYNV
    84BA000542018ICON AIRCRAFT INCVACAVILLECA
    864BA000292018ICON AIRCRAFT INCVACAVILLECA
    909BA000612018ICON AIRCRAFT INCVACAVILLECA
    83BA000512018ICON AIRCRAFT INCVACAVILLECA
    763BA000142016CACCIARELLI ANTHONY GREDONDO BEACHCA
    766BA000172016LATA FUN LLCSPOKANEWA
    920BA000152016ICON AIRCRAFT INCVACAVILLECA
    924BA000092016REGISTRATION PENDINGVACAVILLECA
    930BA000112016REGISTRATION PENDINGVACAVILLECA
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    459BA00070---ICON AIRCRAFT INCVACAVILLECA
    452BA00064---ICON AIRCRAFT INCVACAVILLECA
    462BA000372018REGISTRATION PENDINGMERCER ISLANDWA
    465BA00068---ICON AIRCRAFT INCVACAVILLECA
    453BA00067---AVANTI LLCGLENVIEWKY
    464BA00065---ICON AIRCRAFT INCVACAVILLECA
    436BA00071---ICON AIRCRAFT INCVACAVILLECA
    444BA0002020176161 EXPLORATION LLCIRVINGTX
    461BA00072---ICON AIRCRAFT INCVACAVILLECA
    468BA000052016VESSEL OF FREEDOM LLCPENSACOLAFL
    467BA000062016ICON AIRCRAFT INCVACAVILLECA
    475BA00084---
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    514BA000412018ICON AIRCRAFT INCVACAVILLECA
    520BA00047---ICON AIRCRAFT INCVACAVILLECA
    504BA000432018ROBERTSON CHARLES WKENNETT SQUAREPA
    526BA000422018FERGUSON BRADLEY JHEMPHILLTX
    527BA000452018REGISTRATION PENDINGALLEGANMI
    505BA000462018REGISTRATION PENDINGSAN CLEMENTECA
    519BA000132016ICON AIRCRAFT INCVACAVILLECA
    692LT000502018SALE REPORTEDNAPACA
    668BA000162016ICON AIRCRAFT INCVACAVILLECA
    670BA000252018FODO JOSEPH DSAINT JOSEPHMI
    530BA000182017HARRIS WILLIAM H JRREDWOOD CITYCA
    559BA000322018WILCOX ANDREW RMISSOULAMT
    162BA00081---
    155BA000562018ICON AIRCRAFT INCVACAVILLECA
    159BA00076---ICON AIRCRAFT INCVACAVILLECA
    156BA00073---ICON AIRCRAFT INCVACAVILLECA
    161BA00079---ICON AIRCRAFT INCVACAVILLECA
    183BA00074---ICON AIRCRAFT INCVACAVILLECA
    1845W000312018REGISTRATION PENDINGMERCER ISLANDWA
    186BA00077---ICON AIRCRAFT INCVACAVILLECA
    198BA00080---
    191BA000362018RHF INTERESTS LLCGOULDBUSKTX
    204BA00082---
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    214BA00075---ICON AIRCRAFT INCVACAVILLECA
    203BA000082016GATES JULIANSAN CLEMENTECA
    148BA000532018ICON AIRCRAFT INCVACAVILLECA
    139BA000262018HUNTER PAUL M TRUSTEEYARROW POINTWA
    138BA000552018ICON AIRCRAFT INCVACAVILLECA
    146BA000602018ICON AIRCRAFT INCVACAVILLECA
    142BA00058---ICON AIRCRAFT INCVACAVILLECA
    569BA000622018ICON AIRCRAFT INCVACAVILLECA
    571BA000332018PLANE SOLUTIONS LLCWARRENVT
    59BA000402018REGISTRATION PENDINGWEST SIMSBURYCT
    59WE000352018JET MIST HOLDINGS LLCLYMECT
    663BA000042016HARRIS WILLIAM H JRREDWOOD CITYCA
    632BW000282018DYSON ESTHERNEW YORKNY
    969MM000232017SIEVERT AVIATION LLCYARROW POINTWA
    120BA000522018ICON AIRCRAFT INCVACAVILLECA
    102BA000572018ICON AIRCRAFT INCVACAVILLECA
    116BA000592018ICON AIRCRAFT INCVACAVILLECA
    740BA000032016N524PK LLCROCKLANDDE
    752BA000122016PARKER KURT RLAKE OSWEGOOR
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  9. Jun 18, 2019 #1149

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    Thanks for that, Ron.

    A few observations:

    Not many paying customers.

    Did not find the one that they, supposedly, gave to the EAA.

    Love the owner, LATA FUN, LLC.

    Anyone know what their cash flow is? Their cash on hand?


    BJC
     

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