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Mark Z

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I'm pessimistic about the taildraggers but optimistic about the nosewheels (stock Sonerai gear is too short). Glen Bradly is flying the socks off of the prototype 5 heavily loaded with no problem at all. This is done with the new Revmaster engine.
 

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I have about 10 hours in a CX4. It handles very nicely in the air. The controls are light and the airplane is responsive. I rest the back of my hand on my knee and hold the stick with my finger tips. I can't speak to the takeoff and landing because my airplane had a twisted wing and fuselage and had other problems. It was a nasty handling little bird on landing. I am rebuilding parts of it to get things lined up better and working the way they are supposed to. I think a properly built example would handle fine on takeoff and landing.

My CX4 is a taildragger and had an angle of attack on the ground of 8 degrees. The owner of a properly built CX4 measured his angle of attack on the ground at 12 degrees. One of the things I am doing to mine is to increase the angle of attack to 12 degrees or so on the ground.

I think the CX4 is a good design and flies very well on low HP. There are about 50 flying now so the design is proven and the bugs have been worked out.
 

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The gear is too short for the long fuselage and the angle of incidence is a bit low. Moving the gear aft raises the fuselage enough to get quite a bit more angle of attack. This should get it up in the air smoothly and a slower landing speed without catching the tail first. If you watch videos of the taildraggers it is evident. You have to get it up to speed with the tail low without any angle of attack. It just kinda bounces into the air. At this point I'm told that it's a wonderful handling airplane.
 
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Attention don january:

Your signature line seems to indicate that you built or owned a PDQ.

Please tell me how it flew. I have always been intrigued by the PDQ, but have wondered about the high thrust line.

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BJC
 

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The photo of the red and yellow Sonerai posted by bmcj begs the question: how does it fly?

I once saw a Sonerai I with an O-200. How would its performance compare to a Cassutt with an O-200?

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BJC
 

don january

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Attention don january:

Your signature line seems to indicate that you built or owned a PDQ.

Please tell me how it flew. I have always been intrigued by the PDQ, but have wondered about the high thrust line.

Thanks,


BJC
BJC the PDQ Is on my to build list. My Dad had a new set of prints from the 60's and I have been gathering material for the build for a couple of years now. From what I've read and heard it was a good flying a/c but I think I remember something about the t tail caused some grief?? but man that was nearly 50 years ago
 
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I thought the Johnson Rocket was a certified airplane...Not a homebuilt.?
Both! The original Johnson 125 at the museum in Athens, TN is a homebuilt. I remember seeing it in the mid '90's. Put google to work and found there were a handful of certified Johnson Rocket 185's built. Probably somewhat rare to find one flying??
 

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Lets add a twist to this thread. Assume, for the sake of discussion, that someone provided you with homebuilt airplanes to answer the following.

What HBA would you want for travel / flying CC?

What HBA would you want for aerobatics / maneuvering?

What HBA would you want for evening flights around the local area?

Also tell us why.


BJC
 

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I'ne flown in the Cirrus VK-30 pusher, and for a traveling/XC-only airplane I would definitely have one of those. Comfortable, fast, solid, heavy, and goes far on a tank of gas. But it's a fairly complex airplane. I wouldn't want to be the one mainaining it all the time. Ailerons are heavy, probably a great instrument platform.

Aerobatics and maneuvering (assuming you mean sport flying and goof-off non-precision acro instead of hard acro) for me is absolutely the RV-3. Hands down the best handling and most delightful control feel airplane in my limited experience. Trained test pilots with 10X the flight experience as me have agreed with this. Nothing else comes close. I've never flown a stock plans-built Cassutt, but they are supposed to be a whole lot of fun as well.

Evening flights around the local area for me would HOPEFULLY be the Kolb Firestar that I'm working on completing. Because it's warmw here I fly, the open cockpit and enormous view would allow me to go out and smell flowers, drag the tires through tall grass, getup close and personal with the trees, etc. But I have not finished or flown it yet, so this is all hopeful wishing on my part. If, and I say if, the airplane behaves like I hope it behaves, then it will be a blast to fly like this, on a summer evening. My flights in a 2 seat Kolb showed me that there may need to be some surgery in the aileron control system to make these dreams come true.
 
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I havn't flown a RV-3 , (would love to own one) just a RV-4 and its the best handling airplane that I have flown and several people has told me that the 3 is even better. My Falconar F-12 was close to the 4 after I put gap seals on all the control surfaces. All the controls were the same as the 4 except the ailerons were a little heaver but just as responsive. Always had a smile on my face. Being all wood, it was much quieter.
 
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BBerson

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I don't fly cross country or aerobatics. Nothing beats a long engine off, no vibration glide to landing in a motor glider.
Open cockpit and light single seat would be nice.
 
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I don't fly cross country or aerobatics. Nothing beats a long engine off, no vibration glide to landing in a motor glider.
Open cockpit and light single seat would be nice.
Yep I hear you on that. Is Your Grob 109 and A or B model? There is a nice one for sale in HI right now..

How do you like it?
 

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I have an early G109 (no A model, only G109 or G109B)
It's fun. But I am getting older and something lighter would be easier to rig and haul.
 
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