Golden age classics in tube and gusset

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  1. Nov 29, 2016 #1

    FritzW

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    A recent thread has got me thinking, again, about a golden age classic done in tube and gusset (or maybe TP style). Something that wouldn't have a lot of tricky bends or too many fittings. It'd have to be simple with a flat wrap windshield etc.

    9865.jpg maybe a 1:1 Monocoupe 70 like Cavelamb's idea

    414937936_tPcjD-L.jpg Scrshot0015-760x573.jpg or a 5/8 to 3/4 scale Robin or Cessna AW

    Fairchild_FC-2W.jpg cavm-4887.jpg project-FC2W2-img1.jpg 1/2 scale Fairchild F2

    Avro--F-lift-off.jpg IMG_9161.jpg It's pre-WW1 and should probably be done in wood, but the AVRO-F would work well.


    Any other ideas on good candidates? ...the world needs more than the current GL and AA offerings.
     
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    Aeronca C3?
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    Absolutely delightful idea Fritz ! As the supreme ruler of all aviation, I say... make it so !

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    Under orders from the Supreme Ruler of all Aviation I'm duty bound to look into the matter.

    The C2/3 are brilliant suggestions, but with the forthcoming data from Percy on the Le Pelican that one may already be in the works. ...not to mention the Headwind, the Woodwind (wooden Headwind idea) and the TinWind (folded sheet aluminum Headwind idea).

    We need something that steps outside the narrow window of the GL/AA offerings but retains the same simplicity. ...an icon of the golden age of aviation.
     
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    Yup, as I said in the ALCO Sport threads, I agree that there is a vast unmined resource in the Golden Age cabin monoplanes for simplified modern recreations, whether actual replicas or just modern designs with period feel. Here's another suggestion, the Desoutter Mk I Dolphin (Koolhoven F.K.41 license-built in the UK) (1931). The original Dutch-built prototype (pic below) used a radial, and the later model Desoutter IIs (blue one still extant in Australia) had a more conventional rudder outline and other changes. They all had half-round external stringers on the plywood fuselage, which I really like.

    Even with a flat-wrap windscreen I can see this working very well as a vintage-style original design tandem two-seater with your choice of Rotax 912, VW, Verner radial or Suzuki conversion at about 80 hp. There are actually several pre-WWII Koolhoven designs that might work. Check out http://members.ziggo.nl/henrikaper/koolhoven/koolhoven-vliegtuigen/ for more.
     

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    Why flat wrap? You can re-create any windshield you want.

    I do like the Moncoupe idea. Always a beautiful airplane.
     
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    I love this idea Fritz - my Cruzer build should be done by late Spring (have not been updating the build log!!) and then I'll need a new project after I get the house chores done. I have been day-dreaming about "Poppi" - a single seat plane just like you are describing, or "Poppi for 2".

    Poppi, in my mind, is an Aeronca/Headwind type airplane that is short nosed and cute like a flying flea with rounded wing tips and tail feathers. I'm cool with all wood or tube fuse and wood wings. It would have conventional gear and be a simple, no electric system, aircraft. Poppi would be perfect for Pete's O-100, and if light a C-65 or O-200 for "Poppi for 2".
     
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    I mentioned a flat-wrap windscreen as as simplification, though I would keep the general style. Ditto the two rear struts to make access easier, unnecessary if you have enough torsional stiffness in the wing, though I'd definitely keep the long shock leg up to the wing for cool factor.

    Now that I think of it, the de Havilland DH.80A Puss Moth would be another great inspiration, and the rear-anchored V-strut would facilitate folding wings. The main gear fairings that rotate to serve as air brakes are just plain cool.

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    I sure second that!!!! :) This is a terrific idea Fritz and one I believe would bring in many more builders... bravo!!
     
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    With one seat? Don Stewart's Headwind is a good competitor.
     
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    That little guy is growing on me. At first, I was not a fan in the slightest. Now that I've spent a lot more time around Vintage, I've come to like it a lot.
     
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    Is the plan 1 seat? I wasn't part of the original conversation
     
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    Remember, the second seat is always the demise of a design.
     
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    lol, no, I was considering the C3 dimensions....
     
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    The C3 was a 2 seater for 30's era bodies.
     
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    LoL, great minds think alike?
    VWee Coupe - VW powered -
    Intended for aluminum angle fuselage structure (which makes the curves really easy to do)
    but there would be some welded steel tube in the cockpit overhead.
    Wood or large diameter aluminum tube wing spars.
    All fabric covered. Aluminum sheet boot cowl and engine cowling.

    There are some "bends" in the longerons, but they are gentle..
    Curling around the top of the leading edge doesn't present a challenge on this one.


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    The Aeronca C2 & C3 and also planes like the Velie Monocoupe are so cool - I just love what they stood for - affordable aviation and very easy to fly by the accounts I have read. I need to get the flying and glider manuals - I'd probably love every plane.

    So far the Headwind is the closest modern plan I have seen - and I even have a full set of ribs thanks for Fritz - just have not built it yet :)
     
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    Fritz has lit the torch of interest!! Great ideas!!!
     
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    Let's hope his ADD kicks in and he designs a tabbed and slotted kit that we can chuck together and get in the air quickly and cheaply. I reckon I can hide the cost of something like that from the wife if I hunt around for a cheap motor :ban:
     
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    Don't limit this design exercise to cabin airplanes IMHO. An aluminum tube and gusset version of several WW 1 airplanes has already proven to be a very viable and popular option thanks to Graham Lee and Bob Baslee. Other ideas can include:

    Chilton Monoplane
    Miles Sparrowhawk
    Brown B-2
    English Electric Wren ( !!!! )
    DH-53 Hummingbird
    Tipsy Nipper
    Tube/Gusset Flitzer biplane (with permission from Lynn Williams)
     

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