Falcon XP possible purchase

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  1. Apr 1, 2019 #1

    DaveK

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    I’ve come across an unbuilt kit for a Falcon XP and I wanted to see if there is any specific things I need to look out for. Kit appears complete and in good shape. Has been stored in a hanger for many years. Comes with a what looks like a Rotax 532 and a 2SI 3 cylinder engines. I need to decide whether it is worth driving 4 hours to go look at it.
     
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    Age. I probably would not use the Tedlar covering if it’s in there.
     
  3. Apr 2, 2019 #3

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    I was thinking Oratex if it is compatible with the wing construction.
     
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    +1 on the Oratex, however IIRC the Tedlar was much stiffer than fabric and it MAY have been used as part of the torsional stiffness structure of the wing.
     
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    I used Polyfiber on mine with good results. Missing pieces is going to be the biggest problem with a kit that old. The bigger motors are a bit on the heavy side for that airframe so mind the balance. If you use a fixed nose gear it falls under light sport rules. The parachute that comes with them needs to be looked at closely, mine was unusable.
     
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    How about a slat on the canard? I’ve seen pictures of some with a slat, but most without. Increasing the angle a canard will stall at could be dangerous if the main wing stalls, so curious why I see some with slats. Was this factory or a modification? Can’t seem to find any info on it.
     
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    I can't think of anything that would make it not "worth driving 4 hrs to go look at"
     
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    An asking price above $1000 ?

    OK, that was a little snarky, even for me. Probably a perfectly good design, just never appealed to me.
     
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    The Falcon was good enought for Chuck Yeager, what was he missing?
    Chuck Yeager.png
     
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    He wasn't missing anything. Matter of fact, he 'didn't miss a trick'... it was a paid enrosement sponsorship IIRC. You might take a look at the GM logo on the airplane in the photo above, and remember that during that time he had been doing TV and magazine ads for GM and Delco products.

    Yeager had little interest in light or slow airplanes to my understanding. I had the privilege of meeting B/Gen Yeager, and when I showed him a photo of my brand !*#&%$ new hand-built super hi-po German racing sailplane, which at the time was fully competitive on the world stage, he called it a "bug smasher".

    To defend the honor of Dr. Waibel (the designer of my beloved sailplane), I will take a moment to cheefrully point out that a significant percentage of the best test pilots in history, some of whose resume's equal or exceed B/Gen Yeager's, were/are avid sailplane pilots :)
     
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    Anyone who thinks that Chuck Yeager is a nice guy never met him.


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    It's a lot of fun, but it's a morning and evening flight plane. The wing loading is light and the afternoon thermals can toss it around. You can't stall it with any reasonable effort and the glide ratio is amazing. Cruise is 80 mph @ 4.5 gph. It climbs about 800 single, 400 gross. I call it a rudder plane because they are independent, very powerful, and fairly coordinated so you don't end up using the ailerons a lot. Standard canard tricks like learning to use four pedals.
     
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    Not to get off topic ,but since you brought it up BJC,I met Yeager once.....I can only compare the experience to pi**ing broken glass.
    That's a few minutes of my life that I will never get back......
    NOT A FAN .........

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