Experimental Placard

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  1. Jun 11, 2019 #21

    Daleandee

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    If you have no option but to use the "experimental" lettering then you might find a way to conceal it in the open. Mine is quite visible when boarding but not quite as noticeable as it could have been:

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  2. Jun 11, 2019 #22

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    I suppose it could go on the belly of a Facetmobile.
     
  3. Jun 11, 2019 #23

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    Without going to the reg (I’m too lazy to read it), what does it say about color? Can you hide the experimental label under the stab with subdued colors?
     
  4. Jun 11, 2019 #24

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    The reg doesn't say jack about color. But it does say:

    ...near each entrance to the cabin, cockpit, or pilot station...​

    however, so under the stab - don't think so. And I'd imagine that the DAR would want the lettering to be visible - you could say you painted it on with lemon juice, but... So some contrasting color that isn't a red-green colorblind test deal would probably be required.
     
  5. Jun 11, 2019 #25

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    rep·li·ca
    /ˈrepləkə/

    noun
    noun: replica; plural noun: replicas
    a copy or model of something, especially one on a smaller scale.
    "a replica of the Empire State Building"
    synonyms: copy, model, duplicate, reproduction, replication;
     
  6. Jun 11, 2019 #26

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    Marc Zeitlin

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    Oh, for Cthulu's sake, read the f*cking regulation. Here's the relevant section, for those too lazy to look for themselves:

    ...or as an amateur-built aircraft and which has the same external configuration as an aircraft built at least 30 years ago...​

    The word "replica" doesn't appear. Does your plane have the same external configuration as a P-51 Mustang? No. it. does. not. Other than looking similar, having the big wing in the front and the little wing in the back, with an engine in the nose, it does not have the "SAME" external configuration. It's not the same size, it's not the same shape, it doesn't have the same control surfaces, it doesn't have the same canopy or cowling - all it has is stuff that LOOKS like a P-51, which is not the same as being the SAME external configuration as a P-51.

    My plane has a small wing in the front, a large wing in the back, and a pusher engine, but it sure as sh*t isn't a Wright Flyer.
     
  8. Jun 11, 2019 #28

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    Despite your adamant assertion, reg's are still often "interpreted". My Eindecker isn't an identical replica. I approached my DAR about using small 2" N numbers (edited to correct size) and he agreed that my plane did have the same external configuration as the original and that I could use the small numbers.

    When he came to inspect an FSDO rep came with him and didn't have any concern about the size of the numbers.
     
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  9. Jun 11, 2019 #29

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    Yeah, I misspoke. I meant to say that my plane has 2" numbers instead of 3".
     
  11. Jun 11, 2019 #31

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    That makes more sense. I sport 2” NX numbers and no EXPERIMENTAL signage. But I complied with the strict letter of the law to do it, which is an important point in this discussion.
     
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    I feel that I did, too. And my DAR agreed.
     
  13. Jun 11, 2019 #33

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    I think the OP should get in touch with your DAR! Sounds like yours is a similar situation and it worked out in your favor.
     
  14. Jun 12, 2019 #34

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    We did contact a local DAR here. He said we are good to go with the NX15180, and omitting the EXPERIMENTAL placard.
     
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    Good news and glad it worked out for you.
     
  16. Jun 12, 2019 #36

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    So I'd like to apologize and say that obviously, I was wrong. My interpretation of the rules clearly doesn't line up with at least one DAR's interpretation of the rules, and their's is the one that counts. I'm glad you were able to <without fudging> get the plane to look like you wanted it to look. I will attempt to turn down the "stridency" knob in the future, to something less than 11.
     
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