# Decalage angle

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#### TFF

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#### photocopter

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I was ready for test flight, but found some different problems, I really like to fix before I go. Parts not available, so will end up fabricating again. Shouldn't be very difficult , but will take some time.

Hey Eugene,

how many Hrs / landings does your landing gear have to be so badly worn?? Do you usually land on grass?

#### Eugene

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Hey Eugene,

how many Hrs / landings does your landing gear have to be so badly worn?? Do you usually land on grass?
Airplane has little over 1000 hours. Previous owner was operating from private grass strip for about 700 hr. Just like motocross bike this airplane was used

#### Eugene

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Another Aircraft engineering question. Looks like shock absorbers cannot be rebuild, it’s not available, and needs to be replaced with something from 21 for century. Original shocks 350 mm long. They were very long and very soft. You will do perfect landing with them, but in return the hanging down quite a bit in flight. I am planning to find different motorcycle shocks with different 320 mm dimensions. And make them a little harder. I should still have 13° angle of attack during landing without breaking my tail. If I measure to the cord line angle of attack actually about 15°. So I should be good? They sell them with a different springs with hardest one about 1000 pounds max load. Hopefully this will work for me. And wheels in flight will be slightly retracted by 10% or so.

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Another Aircraft engineering question. Looks like shock absorbers cannot be rebuild, it’s not available, and needs to be replaced with something from 21 for century. Original shocks 350 mm long. They were very long and very soft. You will do perfect landing with them, but in return the hanging down quite a bit in flight. I am planning to find different motorcycle shocks with different 320 mm dimensions. And make them a little harder. I should still have 13° angle of attack during landing without breaking my tail. If I measure to the cord line angle of attack actually about 15°. So I should be good? They sell them with a different springs with hardest one about 1000 pounds max load. Hopefully this will work for me. And wheels in flight will be slightly retracted by 10% or so.

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Even a new shock will fully extend under spring strength when unloaded in flight. Changing the total length will change the takeoff angle of attack and could adversely affect takeoff. Kitplanes has an article about this recently.

#### Eugene

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Ok, this is how I see it. I have right now very long and soft shocks. Let's say first 3 inches have hardly any resistance. On the runway during takeoff they are compressed by 50% anyway, but inflight they extend far below then I want them to be. I simply like to change them to something a little shorter and little harder. Wing AOA during takeoff will be almost the same or will change very little.

About 2 years ago I did some experiments by changing dimensions on front wheel fork by 6 inches or so. Position of the wing was changing about 8°, if I remember correctly. That was giving me about 1° AOA with short nose gear and 9° AOA with long. Didn't find really any danger one way or another, except airplane was practically was flying away by itself with only one finger back pressure on the stick, but needed 2 hands to rotate with short fork. So, it is somewhere in the middle right now.

With shock absorbers I really need some help. It doesn't look simple at all. They can be rebuildable or not, different load, mounting holes, adjustable or not and finally $50 vs$500. So, I have some learning to do.

Original shocks was some kind of modification of mono shock from JAWA 593 enduro bike

#### proppastie

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certainly all the worn round attachment parts can be made new or bored/reamed and bushed.....You might also make oversized bolts instead. It looks like you can take the shock apart and maybe change re-work/fix the piston if it needs it. You can probably change the length and add stiffer shorter springs as pop suggested. All of that will be much less expensive than purchase of fancy motorcycle shocks which may or may not be what you want in the end. You might try scrap yards with old motor cycles though and get the shocks at \$1/lb.

#### Eugene

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All of that will be much less expensive than purchase of fancy motorcycle shocks
It was always very hard for me to choose between going cheap and going good and expensive. Whatever I did something right and expensive was always giving me much more satisfaction then something I did by cutting corners and save money. I need to convince myself that during experimental stage it's not necessary to buy high-quality parts. I found chock that will work for me with removable bottom end, so I can change it to whatever I want.

For a while I will be flying inside of hanger "retractable"

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#### proppastie

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Got your money worth from that part......maybe some analysts before you invest in another......A 6g limit gear is how many pounds?.....What is the cross section area of the attachment fittings? What is the alloy? These are the types of questions you might want to ask.

#### Eugene

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Got your money worth from that part......maybe some analysts before you invest in another......A 6g limit gear is how many pounds?.....What is the cross section area of the attachment fittings? What is the alloy? These are the types of questions you might want to ask.
Yes 1000 hours and 20 years was way too long for maintenance intervals. They didn't design them for easy service. You need to drill holes in fiberglass to get bolts out. That is why nobody did this before that I know of. Maybe every 2 years or 100 hr. You can see holes I made on picture below. I am sure some kind of removable plugs can be made later.

#### Pops

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That is not a bad price.

#### Eugene

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Looks like new shocks should be long enough for 12-15° AOA landing