Crashes in the News - Thread

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    Todd's crash did look bad from the pictures. I don't know about "straight down", but the impact did look severe and likely a high rate of descent. Sorry to hear about the two that died. We can only prey that Todd and his son pull through, but I'm sure the injuries must be severe in that mess. I wonder if that was all impact damage or if rescue teams made it look worse than it was after extraction?

    Does anyone know if the girl that died is Todd's daughter (if he has one)? The article only said that the two that died were "the pilot's mother and her grand daughter". Regardless, if he survives, he'll be left with some deep emotional scars along with his physical ones.
     
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    Saint of Fresno? That's a rather low bar to reach. ;)
     
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    Very sad to hear this! Here is a news link. The persons that perished were his mother and son. Prayers for these ...

    [video]http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/32203084/names-of-collegedale-crash-victims-released[/video]

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    Seems that the news just got more horrible ...

    Todd's Canopies - Untitled


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    Holy crap is right. That was devastating. I listened to the recorded tower communications and they shed a little different light on the situation. Initial reports made it sound like she made three balked approaches (too high), but now it seems that her landings were rejected to accommodate landing airlines. She was also given multiple direction changes, repeated instructions to keep her turns close and tight, failed attempts to sandwich her between landing airlines (always with wake turbulence warnings), and directions to land on a runway with a 10 knot tailwind. That's a rough go for most pilots and even more so for a Cirrus pilot given their stall-spin record.
     
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    There's also a pretty substantial under reporting given that the FAA and NTSB pretty much ignore them. Having a discussion with a friend who retired from the NTSB, that came up and his comment (as someone with 30+ years of investigations under his belt as both a CAB/NTSB investigator and manufacturer's investigator) was that no one has a good idea of exactly how many people get killed in ultralights. He closed with a statement that "That's probably good for the ultralight community". Even as someone with a lot of time in ultralights, I think he's probably correct. One would probably have to go through death certificate records which is hit or miss. It's the same problem with why there's no accurate number of lightning fatalities (the "official" numbers as of 2008- last I checked- came from local NWS employees clipping newspapers; not kidding).
     
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    ****. Todd had been so nice to me after one of the guys at VAF referred me to him. He answered a lot of questions for me and when I apologized for not needing to buy one of his products, he simply said "Don't worry about it. Come buy me lunch some time and we're even". ****.
     
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    That's SOP for Hobby. I can remember when it was worse. You don't go there unless you're on your "A" game. At the pilot's level of experience, should have taken a CFI along. What upsets me the most is two trusting individuals assumed the pilot would make good decisions and that didn't happen.
     
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    Agree; it was a mess. However, "First, fly the airplane" remains a key safety rule.


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    You can learn a lot by reading the NTSB accident reports.

    They give you a sense of what the pilots of small planes do wrong.
     
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    No doubt that is correct. But, given the raw numbers of GA pilots vs UL pilots I'm sure that it's true that fewer UL pilots die in crashes just because their are so fewer flying.

    My personal belief is that flying a UL properly is less risky than flying a typical GA plane properly. A safe UL pilot never flys in adverse weather, never flys over unlandable terrain, never flys at night, etc. Being able to land in less than 300 feet makes a dead stick landing much less serious. A 500 lb. gross UL landing at 30 mph has so much less energy to deal with than a 1000 lb gross GA at 60 mph that it makes "crashing" much easier to deal with. I have two friends who both spun into the ground from low altitude in the same UL (of course it was rebuilt after the first crash and then it happened again). Both guys walked away from the crashes; one with no injuries and the other with cuts and bruises but no broken bones.
     
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    And I do, quite regularly.
     
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    If lightning strikes a tree in Oregon, and the tree falls in a remote forest, and that impact creates a movement of the Earth's tectonic plates, and that causes a Tsunami, which travels across the oceans to Saudi Arabia, and the impact of the wave sends vibrations through 500 miles of sand, and the vibrations reach a lone palm tree at an oasis in the desert, and the palm tree falls on a hangar, and the hangar has an airplane in it, is it still "pilot error" in the NTSB report?
     
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    I agree. Based on the shadows in the video of the Houston Hobby crash (it was high noon with the sun overhead), this plane was definitely nose down (nearly vertical) and rotating. My guess is that I t was either a spin or a low altitude upset from a trailing wake vortex. Someone said she deployed the chute, but I think it deployed on impact bases on the way the harness lay next to the plane and I did not see any evidence of the risers ripping out the roof of the plane.

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