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wktaylor

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I'm pretty sure the 'up-side-down jet' rolled-over as it departed the right side of the RW and hit the soft dirt... skidded along on/crushing the crew-canopies.

The Tip-of the V-stab undoubtedly dug-into-the earth and kept the aircraft on a straight-line/upside-down skid-track.

The bird-strike resistant windshields [in-front of the pilot and aft of the pilot for the back-seater] and roll-over structures were never designed for that crash scenario.
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Memories... My first mishap investigation was a T-37B in-flight break-up out of Vance AFB OK** ~1983.

Over the years of my USAF investigations, my code-words to the wife... that a serious mishap had occurred, which I was 'on-stand-by for deployment-to, were...

"I have bad news and good news..."

"I have bad news and bad news..."

"I have very bad news and very bad news..."

This was one of those "... very bad news and very bad news..." mishaps: 2-jets, 2-fatalities
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**My wife remembers only one aspect of the first mishap investigation: The aircraft debris was spread-out over ~1-square-mile red-dirt farm field in north central Oklahoma. When I came home with all my 'red-dirt' soiled clothing, she tried for ~2-weeks to get the iron-oxide stains 'out'... nothing worked... she 'unreasonably' threw everything away, including my underwear.
 

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A single engine "Cirrus SR22" , crashed near Gass Peak, just
North of Las Vegas ,at 5:35 last night ; feared all 3 aboard , are
dead.

The crash was deemed (Un-Survivable) ; so search and rescue
did not attempt to look for them last night.

A witness on the 6: o-clock news said, the entire side of the mountain
erupted into a ball of flames ; it looked to him, much like
a volcano !

I always wanted to fly that spot, with my hang glider ; but
thought it was part of Nellis air force base, training aria, so
i didn't bother to even look. I'm gonna glance at a sectional
and see if that Cirrus, was even allowed to fly there ?

Bille
 
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I'm pretty sure the 'up-side-down jet' rolled-over as it departed the right side of the RW and hit the soft dirt... skidded along on/crushing the crew-canopies.

The Tip-of the V-stab undoubtedly dug-into-the earth and kept the aircraft on a straight-line/upside-down skid-track.

The bird-strike resistant windshields [in-front of the pilot and aft of the pilot for the back-seater] and roll-over structures were never designed for that crash scenario.
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Memories... My first mishap investigation was a T-37B in-flight break-up out of Vance AFB OK** ~1983.

Over the years of my USAF investigations, my code-words to the wife... that a serious mishap had occurred, which I was 'on-stand-by for deployment-to, were...

"I have bad news and good news..."

"I have bad news and bad news..."

"I have very bad news and very bad news..."

This was one of those "... very bad news and very bad news..." mishaps: 2-jets, 2-fatalities
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**My wife remembers only one aspect of the first mishap investigation: The aircraft debris was spread-out over ~1-square-mile red-dirt farm field in north central Oklahoma. When I came home with all my 'red-dirt' soiled clothing, she tried for ~2-weeks to get the iron-oxide stains 'out'... nothing worked... she 'unreasonably' threw everything away, including my underwear.

Did you see in the video that the second jet landed safely even after it drifted out into the sandy area off of the runway.

As the location of the plane was quite a ways down the runway, I suspect that this was a landing mishap. Maybe they were doing one of those fancy side by side landings you see in the movies. Wing tips touch?

Richard
 

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I saw that report earlier. I’ve been doing some flying in a Pilatus lately, but I am unaware of any seating options that allow 12 people onboard. The most seat options I am aware of is nine in back and two crew in the front for a total of eleven.
 
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I saw that report earlier. I’ve been doing some flying in a Pilatus lately, but I am unaware of any seating options that allow 12 people onboard. The most seat options I am aware of is nine in back and two crew in the front for a total of eleven.
Child on lap?
 

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I saw that report earlier. I’ve been doing some flying in a Pilatus lately, but I am unaware of any seating options that allow 12 people onboard. The most seat options I am aware of is nine in back and two crew in the front for a total of eleven.
The 2009 crash of a Pilatus PC-12 in Montana had 14 people on board, 13 + 1 pilot.

As stated in the original 14 CFR 91.14 preamble, for operations under Part 91, separate seats and seat belts for each occupant are not required. This was further supported in 1990 (the reg was recodified to 14 CFR 91.107) when the FAA Office of Chief Counsel wrote a legal opinion (#1990-14) that states if 2 people occupy a single seat and the seat belt can be properly fastened around both persons it would not be a violation of the regulations for an operation under Part 91.
 

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if 2 people occupy a single seat and the seat belt can be properly fastened around both persons it would not be a violation of the regulations for an operation under Part 91.
Interesting.
Does that include the pilot seat? Maybe I wasn't in violation 40 years ago....
 

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Seating configuration can be a total of 8 to 11, depending on model configuration. 12 on board but two were small children. The plane was apparently loaded with baggage, hunting supplies and pheasants. I think they will find it was a combination of factors. (Possible ice or frost on surfaces, full gross wt or more, systems failure, etc) Even though current wx conditions were not great I doubt it contributed other than reduced visibility not allowing a controlled emergency landing. I know the pilot and they frequently used a company hired pilot, so not sure on his currency and experience at this time. Very good people who contributed to the community. Sad, very sad.
 

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I have read before about situational awareness when a pilot, who was IFR rated, took off in low ceiling weather and lost control as the aircraft entered the low ceiling.

Apparently the pilot was using the ground reference as he took off and was not immediately using his instruments for flight. (thin is not in reference to this crash)

Richard
 

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Sad to say, another crash in the upper Midwest. A Army National Guard helicopter crashed shortly after taking off from the St. Cloud, MN airport.

https://kstp.com/news/inspectors-revisit-fatal-helicopter-crash-scene-near-st-cloud-gather-evidence-minnesota-national-guard-members/5572000/?cat=1

There are later reports that list the names of the people killed.

The National guard is being very tight lipped about this incident.
"The National Guard won’t specify what the routine maintenance flight was for but said it “is conducted almost daily” in aviation units in St. Cloud and St. Paul."

Also there was no fire after the crash. Out of fuel?

Now I'm no expert on how the Army National Guard works. I have yet to see any indication of which of the three persons on board was the pilot. Also I thought that you had to be a commissioned officer to fly now days. None of the people on board were commissioned officers.

This a sad event, but why all the secrecy ?

Richard
 

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Many helicopter pilots in both th army and the national guard are warrant officers,


BJC
Upon further investigation on my part, looking at other info on other news sites, I have found that two of the people in this crash are indeed Warrant Officers.

My bad.

Richard
 

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